All this over celery, a luxury food with negative calories. The U.S has to become Mexico because if the desire for cheap celery. Selling our kids future for cheap produce.

June will be along soon to say God says we have to accept em.

Let's think this one out. Lazy deadbeats don't want to work, and most don't know how to work, right?

Ever supervise a lazy deadbeat and try to make him work? Seriously--have you? Who's going to do that, if we make the deadbeats get jobs? How many supervisors per deadbeat would be required? Who's going to pay all the supervisors?

If they don't take jobs (not the same as actually working), do we deny them food and shelter? If so, what do we do about the huge new classes of scavengers and predators we've created?

These people aren't all going to be able to swim, just because you decide it's time to take away their life preservers.

Bad as it is, we're stuck with our welfare system.

Jim

we could absolutely have a guest worker program , I have no issue with that.

growers contract employees get them GWV Guest Worker Visas , probably get labor companies who could employ and contract for picking have busses and bunk houses and kitchens set up to transport the GW and get them to and from the fields , to the bunk houses , feed them.

the issue is however that , that wouldn't exploit people the way they like to , there would be accountability.

accountability for the people , cost in transport , cost in housing , where is you have Illegals you have them over a barrel , they work for you in your conditions at your pay or you turn them in to ICE

we had a bust in WI in 2018 a slave labor ring a company that contracted harvesting they were based out of GA and were getting people often even on real Visas then they would take their cell phones and passports and not pay them, when a worker got injured the labor boss also Mexican was not there to quickly cart the person of and the grower drove them to the hospital they realized what had been going on and the grower cooperated with the FBI he wanted pickers he didn't want slaves he thought he was paying fairly for seasonal pickers and didn't realize the labor company was enslaving their people

this fits into the morality of immigrants Mark was talking about , they are people and deserving of being treated like people fed , medical care , and not exploited , but that is exactly what the current system of let them flood across the border does it opens them up to exploitations to a greater level.

many years ago a company I worked for sub contracted out sand blasting work

the boss was concerned that the Mexican sand blasters wore only a bandana , when he asked the sand blast company guy about it he said no worries they all go back to Mexico every year so we have no liability in it

treating people as disposable is wrong , we never hired that company again. probably should have done more to end their practice.

the issue is that the very people calling for human rights and benefits for illegals/undocumented workers are often the ones gaining from their exploration much the way it is often the ones yelling free speech then trying to restrict other peoples speech , hypocrites

Tough issue. We do need a guest worker program, but I'm in favor of enforcing the law. So long as current law forbids employing them, it's wrong and employers should be fined, jailed, whipped, beaten. (Figuratively, of course.)

If Americans have to start paying $20 for a bunch of celery, in order to pay other Americans decent living wages, so be it. Consumers may get tired enough of high prices to lever their representatives in Congress to fix our immigration law.

But that would be the free-market approach, so it will never happen.

Jim

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Is it really that hard to get legal migrants? Farmer here in town needed help and couldn't find any so here imported 3 legal Mexicans. They worked from May until September and then went back home. They definitely did things no white person around here would do. They had a hard time finding people to work at the farm stand ringing up vegetables because "it's too hot" with a fan running on them as they sat on their butt. Meanwhile, the Mexicans were picking veggies in 100 degree heat and humidity without even any shade and carrying 40+ lb totes of veggies half a mile on their shoulders.

Well Hobbie, In the case mentioned of a company saying “don’t worry they go back each season and we have no liability” since they weren’t wearing proper PPE…….is in reality treating them as disposable. Happy trapping! ScottW

They tell us there are 600,000 people trafficked in Texas alone. Human trafficking is rampant in our land as ding dongs march in America's streets - for all the wrong things... puppets of the top dog ding dongs.