Their probably making about $12 an hour no benefits. We can get anybody to do almost anything for the proper amount of money, including U.S. citizens. The reason these farmers (which I would assume there are very few family farms, more like corporate) cant pay the wage is because globalism pushed them out of the market. We do not have any form of real capitalism, that's just a lie they condition little kids with. The illusion that people don't like to work here is because almost everyone has the wage calculated down so they can extract every single tiny spot of value out of you and people are starting to get bitter. You don't "work your way up" anymore. If you stay loyal to your employer now, you will make 50% less than the guy that changes employers every 2 years. Keep businesses local, employ local, limit trade, and improve your community instead of sending your money to Mexico to help Jaun stimulate their economy (plus no taxes, a complete drain on our system).

June will be along soon to say God says we have to accept em.

... that’s what chinamen are for

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I say we accept them because I don't want to pay $20 for a bunch of celery.
BTW, this is a "family farms" which I would much rather see remain viable than to import all our produce from central and south America.

... I don’t understand why any self respecting man would eat celery

X2

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You're probably thinking about that pale greenish-yellow limp stuff that they grow in Texas and California.
This celery is thick, dark green and especially good with peanut butter. I guarantee you've never experience real celery.

Tough issue. We do need a guest worker program, but I'm in favor of enforcing the law. So long as current law forbids employing them, it's wrong and employers should be fined, jailed, whipped, beaten. (Figuratively, of course.)

If Americans have to start paying $20 for a bunch of celery, in order to pay other Americans decent living wages, so be it. Consumers may get tired enough of high prices to lever their representatives in Congress to fix our immigration law.

But that would be the free-market approach, so it will never happen.

Jim

... enjoy your firm, dark thick stalks and what not ... I’m out ...gettin too weird for me in here

... y’all go on with your deep thinkin and green tea drinkin lol

Let's think this one out. Lazy deadbeats don't want to work, and most don't know how to work, right?

Ever supervise a lazy deadbeat and try to make him work? Seriously--have you? Who's going to do that, if we make the deadbeats get jobs? How many supervisors per deadbeat would be required? Who's going to pay all the supervisors?

If they don't take jobs (not the same as actually working), do we deny them food and shelter? If so, what do we do about the huge new classes of scavengers and predators we've created?

These people aren't all going to be able to swim, just because you decide it's time to take away their life preservers.

Bad as it is, we're stuck with our welfare system.

Jim

The US has used immigrant and migrant labor over 160 years and that was before, welfare, assistance, SSN etc. so having legal and or illegal immigrants working in the US in large numbers is not a new thing, it has been pretty standard for several generations. Creating policies that provide income with little or no work is a bigger society ill or issue then it is taking the place of those who do that work now. The real issue with 10 million unfilled jobs is the lost GDP when all those wages, benefits etc. are not collected, utilized and put back into the economy. Not many that are not working now and will go to work will be saving a lot of money, they will be putting it into the economy. The major difference is that it will come from the private sector and not the public sector.

Bryce

1 person should easily be able to supervise 20 lazy dead beats, firing the ones that won't work. And yes, I have done plenty of dead beat supervising. And if they won't take jobs, YES deny them food and housing. Let the scavengers scavenge, shoot or arrest the predators. AND once you arrest them, they can work on the chain gangs like we still have here down south to earn their keep.

I thought there were legal means for these people to get into the US? What's wrong with making them do it legally?

Can someone define a "decent living wage"?

Is it enough to have 3 cars, a half million dollar home, every latest greatest new fangled computer or phone, expensive 4 wheelers or side by sides, bass boat, etc.?

Or is it enough to provide a modest home and 3 square meals a day and health insurance for your family?

Or is it somewhere in between?

The problem is a "decent living wage" means different things to different people.

Used to be if you wanted the 3 cars and the half million dollar home, you worked hard, worked overtime, maybe worked a part time 2nd job and saved and invested your money. If you weren't making enough money at your job, you looked for a better job or maybe got some education from college or a trade school which helped one to get a better paying job or encouraged your employer to give you a nice raise to keep you from leaving.

In today's world, instead of one trying to better themselves by getting an education or making ones self valuable enough to your employer that he will pay to keep you, most (like the fast food workers) just demand that they need 15 dollars an hour. Instead of protesting and demanding they should have been out looking for a better paying job unless working at McDonalds was all they were qualified or willing to do.

To better one's life it starts with a small step in the right direction and only the person that looks back at you in the mirror can take that step for you.

No bad students. Only bad teachers.

Did a trapper just ask this?

I think the farmer should pay what it cost to produce the food and charge not just what it cost to produce but a decent living wage on top of it. If you can’t afford to buy food, grow your own.

All this over celery, a luxury food with negative calories. The U.S has to become Mexico because if the desire for cheap celery. Selling our kids future for cheap produce.

[quote=waggler There is no way that Americans will do this kind of work anymore around here, probably nowhere in the USA.
If you posted this job for 40$ an hour you might get a couple of Americans to show up; but they would probably quit by noon./quote]

I said this all along. There's job openings here paying over 20/hr, that aren't filled.