Gibb stated it very well.

If you study the catalog, you can usually tell which lots are intersorts and which lots are dealer. Intersorts come first, then dealer lots with limits, then goods that were bought back at previous sales.

Since goods from small dealers are intersorted with trapper goods, not sure you could get a breakdown of those 2 groups.

I take that as a compliment compared to what your ex co workers say about you,lol.

I am not a fur buyer.

It is a sad day indeed when the Canadian/ Ontario Dynamic Duo
of the Great White Northern fur industry are at loggerheads
due to their larger-than-life, super sized, triple extra large egos !!!

Can't we all just get along ?

w

Gibster,

Are you now confirming that the trapper, "Formerly known as BOCO"
and permanently banned from the Canadian trapping site is now
masquerading & lurking as WAHBUSH to avoid further expulsions ?

Too funny !!!! lol, lol, lol.

w

Careful Walleyed or the gibber wont send you a free Groeny magazine,lol.

Unfortunate that this thread has turned in to a name calling personality bickering contest.

It would be nice if just once an informative thread could stay on tract.

The days of a fur buyer in every town are done, what is left on the landscape are dealers who mainly have contacts right into the trade.

The odd trapper starts buying but is quickly wiped out by the cost involved, there is no margin in putting up carcass goods at todays prices.

More folks getting out of the fur business than getting in.

Just compare the numbers of pelt being offered to what was being offered 10 years ago.

In Ontario back during the 1980's we produced an average of 150,000 beaver per year, the latest data 2022 under 30,000.

So I take it no one has the numbers ? I do know that at one time the majority of the western cats were dealer consigned. Which makes sense because at the higher price level most trappers would sell in the country rather than hold and ship.

I think if the true numbers were know you would be surprised at the high amount that is dealer consigned be it smaller or larger dealers. I am sure there are a very few larger dealers that have some connection in the trade but not all buyers want every cat or beaver produced for example so there are orders for a certain # and that may be all they can sell.

I agree with Slick Pan about western bobcats. In fact , I could name names but won’t. When NAFA went belly up, one western cat dealer flew to Toronto picked up his cats and drove them to North Bay. Not sure if they are still there or not.

SP makes a very good point about goods dealers don’t really want but are “forced” to buy them to get what they want. FH is a good way for them to sell those unwanted goods.

A buyer goes to a trappers house and wants to buy only certain items. Many trappers want to sell the entire collection. What is a buyer to do with 7 possum and 3 raccoon when he came to buy beaver and otter. Send the possum and raccoon to FH.

Creditor Name Address1 Address2 City Province/State Postal Code Country Amount ($)
VAN ANSEM PARTICIPATIES BV HAZENHUTSEDIJK 11 DE RIPS NL-5764 RP THE NETHERLANDS 9,305,394
BROS TR DITSIOS & CO SA (SPECIAL - SEE ALSO 2703) (DEPOSIT ACCOUNT) DISPILIO KASTORIA 52057 GRC 1,762,414
JONI MINK VAN ANSEM SP.J. J. & N. VAN ANSEM GOLENIOW 72-110 POLAND 1,654,014
SPRINGBROOK FUR FARMS LIMITED 1561 BERLETTS RD ST AGATHA ON N0B 2L0 CANADA 1,374,581
MUELLER FLESHING & SUPPLY 19309 COUNTY ROAD 141 KIMBALL MN 55353 USA 1,349,721
AG RONECO FARM SRL BRASOV STR. MATEI BASARAB, NR 12, APT 3 BRASOV ROMANIA 1,330,064
W BROWN FARM LTD 45622 207TH ARLINGTON SD 57212 USA 1,257,475
GEBR-A DO NOT MAIL POLAND POLAND 1,032,912
MICHAEL'S FURS/MONTANA FUR TRADERS MICHAEL PAPPAS 2270 WEST WASHINGTON BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90018 USA 972,852
W.P.C HEIJDEN FINEST FURS MARIAHOUT THE NETHERLANDS 685,265
V.O.F. VAN GOG-RELOU-COLLATERAL LAREN 4A 5763 PB MILHEEZE THE NETHERLANDS 62

My guess somebody on the list who's dad's name was Ted?

Western bobcats is a very niche market and yes a lot of end up at the auction.Not sure about today's volume, keep in mind a lot of the really good cats sell late in the season.

I am speaking in more general terms about the main three, beaver, raccoon and muskrats.

Mr, George was a real piece of work.

A lot of us use to wonder out loud why so much time was wasted on so small a volume, takes hours to sell them for little return.

Two days I have been waiting for the sojuzpushnina auction results to be posted online. TWO WHOLE DAYS!

Who do I call to get the ball rolling here?

Up 20% from their December sale.

Mind you I don't trust anything a Russia says.

Now I know who to call. Yep, that is what I'm looking for. Thank You!

Best I can figure from Tatiana's results and the Feb 2023 results that are in Russian and the May 2023 results in English with only about 50% clearance in May is prices are up about 10 percent from Feb. 2023. Better than down.

I just knew I should have studied Russian language
when I was in grade school, high school, and university !!!

Russia: "A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma" !!!

w

Gibb, you used to be the poster boy for FHA even calling NAFA the evil empire.

Then you went to work for the EE and saying negative things about FHA.

Now you shill for Groenwold and run down auction houses.

Geeze!

Waffle much? Where is the credibility?

Fees or no fees I am very thankful for the international auctions. Otherwise we'd never see the true value of our fur.

Not known as someone who will tell you what you want to hear.

Been very fortunate to have been involved with a number of organizations.

I am telling you something is wrong with all the fees, if you are happy good for you.

And your contribrution to anything in the fur trade is?

My contribution this year will be more beaver this year than yours will be.

I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.