Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/18/24 11:57 AM
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Actually Post Turtle is not the best description of Wahbush; After going to a meeting one time and meeting him, a really good friend of mine looked at me and said " That's the smartest dumb guy I ever meet" I take that as a compliment compared to what your ex co workers say about you,lol.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Boco]
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02/18/24 12:26 PM
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Actually Post Turtle is not the best description of Wahbush; After going to a meeting one time and meeting him, a really good friend of mine looked at me and said " That's the smartest dumb guy I ever meet" I take that as a compliment compared to what your ex co workers say about you,lol. It is a sad day indeed when the Canadian/ Ontario Dynamic Duo of the Great White Northern fur industry are at loggerheads due to their larger-than-life, super sized, triple extra large egos !!! Can't we all just get along ? w
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/18/24 12:37 PM
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Actually Post Turtle is not the best description of Wahbush. Gibster, Are you now confirming that the trapper, "Formerly known as BOCO"and permanently banned from the Canadian trapping site is now masquerading & lurking as WAHBUSH to avoid further expulsions ? Too funny !!!! lol, lol, lol. w
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/18/24 03:05 PM
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Careful Walleyed or the gibber wont send you a free Groeny magazine,lol.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: wissmiss]
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02/18/24 03:37 PM
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Gibb stated it very well.
If you study the catalog, you can usually tell which lots are intersorts and which lots are dealer. Intersorts come first, then dealer lots with limits, then goods that were bought back at previous sales.
Since goods from small dealers are intersorted with trapper goods, not sure you could get a breakdown of those 2 groups. The days of a fur buyer in every town are done, what is left on the landscape are dealers who mainly have contacts right into the trade. The odd trapper starts buying but is quickly wiped out by the cost involved, there is no margin in putting up carcass goods at todays prices. More folks getting out of the fur business than getting in. Just compare the numbers of pelt being offered to what was being offered 10 years ago. In Ontario back during the 1980's we produced an average of 150,000 beaver per year, the latest data 2022 under 30,000.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/18/24 07:36 PM
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So I take it no one has the numbers ? I do know that at one time the majority of the western cats were dealer consigned. Which makes sense because at the higher price level most trappers would sell in the country rather than hold and ship.
I think if the true numbers were know you would be surprised at the high amount that is dealer consigned be it smaller or larger dealers. I am sure there are a very few larger dealers that have some connection in the trade but not all buyers want every cat or beaver produced for example so there are orders for a certain # and that may be all they can sell.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: wissmiss]
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02/18/24 09:21 PM
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I agree with Slick Pan about western bobcats. In fact , I could name names but won’t. When NAFA went belly up, one western cat dealer flew to Toronto picked up his cats and drove them to North Bay. Not sure if they are still there or not.
SP makes a very good point about goods dealers don’t really want but are “forced” to buy them to get what they want. FH is a good way for them to sell those unwanted goods.
A buyer goes to a trappers house and wants to buy only certain items. Many trappers want to sell the entire collection. What is a buyer to do with 7 possum and 3 raccoon when he came to buy beaver and otter. Send the possum and raccoon to FH. Creditor Name Address1 Address2 City Province/State Postal Code Country Amount ($) VAN ANSEM PARTICIPATIES BV HAZENHUTSEDIJK 11 DE RIPS NL-5764 RP THE NETHERLANDS 9,305,394 BROS TR DITSIOS & CO SA (SPECIAL - SEE ALSO 2703) (DEPOSIT ACCOUNT) DISPILIO KASTORIA 52057 GRC 1,762,414 JONI MINK VAN ANSEM SP.J. J. & N. VAN ANSEM GOLENIOW 72-110 POLAND 1,654,014 SPRINGBROOK FUR FARMS LIMITED 1561 BERLETTS RD ST AGATHA ON N0B 2L0 CANADA 1,374,581 MUELLER FLESHING & SUPPLY 19309 COUNTY ROAD 141 KIMBALL MN 55353 USA 1,349,721 AG RONECO FARM SRL BRASOV STR. MATEI BASARAB, NR 12, APT 3 BRASOV ROMANIA 1,330,064 W BROWN FARM LTD 45622 207TH ARLINGTON SD 57212 USA 1,257,475 GEBR-A DO NOT MAIL POLAND POLAND 1,032,912 MICHAEL'S FURS/MONTANA FUR TRADERS MICHAEL PAPPAS 2270 WEST WASHINGTON BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90018 USA 972,852 W.P.C HEIJDEN FINEST FURS MARIAHOUT THE NETHERLANDS 685,265 V.O.F. VAN GOG-RELOU-COLLATERAL LAREN 4A 5763 PB MILHEEZE THE NETHERLANDS 62 My guess somebody on the list who's dad's name was Ted?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/19/24 10:49 AM
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Up 20% from their December sale.
Mind you I don't trust anything a Russia says.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/19/24 11:23 AM
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Now I know who to call. Yep, that is what I'm looking for. Thank You!
Best I can figure from Tatiana's results and the Feb 2023 results that are in Russian and the May 2023 results in English with only about 50% clearance in May is prices are up about 10 percent from Feb. 2023. Better than down.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Tatiana]
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02/19/24 11:47 AM
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I just knew I should have studied Russian language when I was in grade school, high school, and university !!! Russia: "A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma" !!! w
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/20/24 08:34 AM
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Gibb, you used to be the poster boy for FHA even calling NAFA the evil empire.
Then you went to work for the EE and saying negative things about FHA.
Now you shill for Groenwold and run down auction houses.
Geeze!
Waffle much? Where is the credibility?
Fees or no fees I am very thankful for the international auctions. Otherwise we'd never see the true value of our fur.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/20/24 11:32 AM
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My contribution this year will be more beaver this year than yours will be.
I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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