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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: Dirt] #8077995
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Originally Posted by Dirt
If you back calculate what the buyers are actually paying for pelts, then you can estimate what the mark up the local fur buyer is getting for his pelts selling to the same end users. I'm not sure FHA is the biggest middleman?



Dirt makes an excellent point. All the extra costs of running routes, additional handling, CITES fees, + profit margins are built in to the price payed by local buyers, just not itemized for everyone to complain about.

Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: walleye101] #8078025
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Go shop at Montgomery Ward buddy grinJust lucky they will have auctions attitude ?

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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: crosspatch] #8078136
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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Good point Wissmiss - why would buyers care about drumming fees. Saw them somewhere. Must try and find out where. Thanks for the correction.

Did some looking under FHA site and closest can find is under "Shipping to FHA" are "Conditions of Sale". Conditions list 11% commission and drumming fees but do not list those fees. Contacted Cheryl at FHA and asked her to send me what they are. If I get them will ask her to post under "Conditions of Sale".



Safe to say you really don't know what you are paying, as the drumming fees are not transparent on the web site.

Magazine according to their web site;

https://furharvesters.com/publications.html
The Fur Harvesters Magazine
The Fur Harvester is published annually to promote a better understanding of Canada's founding industry. Articles within the magazine should not necessarily be viewed as official FHA policy. If you are not a shipper but would like to receive our magazine, please send us a cheque or money order in the amount of $10.00 and you will receive the next two issues of The Fur Harvester.

If that is not the case anymore do you think they may need to work on updating the site?

At the end of the day if you are happy good for you.

Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078177
02/15/24 07:29 PM
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Feb 14 -17
Auction offer
Sojuzpushnina offers wild and farm furs.



Catalogues of February auction
Joint catalogue

Sable wild raw

AC Sojuzpushnina catalogues

Sable farm raw

Baum marten raw

Mink farm raw

Fox, blue fox


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: gibb] #8078185
02/15/24 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gibb
Originally Posted by crosspatch
Good point Wissmiss - why would buyers care about drumming fees. Saw them somewhere. Must try and find out where. Thanks for the correction.

Did some looking under FHA site and closest can find is under "Shipping to FHA" are "Conditions of Sale". Conditions list 11% commission and drumming fees but do not list those fees. Contacted Cheryl at FHA and asked her to send me what they are. If I get them will ask her to post under "Conditions of Sale".



Safe to say you really don't know what you are paying, as the drumming fees are not transparent on the web site.

Magazine according to their web site;

https://furharvesters.com/publications.html
The Fur Harvesters Magazine
The Fur Harvester is published annually to promote a better understanding of Canada's founding industry. Articles within the magazine should not necessarily be viewed as official FHA policy. If you are not a shipper but would like to receive our magazine, please send us a cheque or money order in the amount of $10.00 and you will receive the next two issues of The Fur Harvester.

If that is not the case anymore do you think they may need to work on updating the site?

At the end of the day if you are happy good for you.


That fee and magazine gone for a couple of years and yes website needs work. Communications not FHA's strongest point for a while now.

Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078253
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It's as if it was a bunch of trappers own and run this place!


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: beaverpeeler] #8078259
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
It's as if it was a bunch of trappers own and run this place!
Know a few trappers with great computer skills. I am glad we have FHA.


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078606
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we should all be happy we have FHA

Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078616
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FHA drumming fees.

Marten, fisher and fox .75. Wolf and yote 1.00 and lynx and bobcat 1.10. Fees have not changed in years.

Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: walleye101] #8078680
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Dirt
If you back calculate what the buyers are actually paying for pelts, then you can estimate what the mark up the local fur buyer is getting for his pelts selling to the same end users. I'm not sure FHA is the biggest middleman?



Dirt makes an excellent point. All the extra costs of running routes, additional handling, CITES fees, + profit margins are built in to the price payed by local buyers, just not itemized for everyone to complain about.


That wasn't my point. As far as people complaining about fees. You want the agent (FHA) to be dependent on price to make their cut. If the agent 's cut is a only a percent of price he will have more incentive to get higher prices. If the agent will be making most of his money off fees, price won't be that important to him, clearance will be. I want the highest price at 90% clearance. IMHO if they sell 100% most times they sold too cheap.


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078696
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They sold beaver 100% last year. Did they go too cheap?


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: beaverpeeler] #8078716
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
They sold beaver 100% last year. Did they go too cheap?


Was there bidding?


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078719
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Lets just say the bidding was spirited.
I believe they sold some for quite a bit more than they were worth.


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078751
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I have forgotten how the lot and string stuff works? I would appreciate it if Boco or Wissmiss or gibb or anybody in the know would explain how high bidders on one lot can somehow get the whole string? I may have this wrong?


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: Dirt] #8078760
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I have forgotten how the lot and string stuff works? I would appreciate it if Boco or Wissmiss or gibb or anybody in the know would explain how high bidders on one lot can somehow get the whole string? I may have this wrong?


You have it right. The high bidder can take one lot in the string, multiple lots or the whole string.

If he or she doesn't take them all the rest are offered at the hammer price. If they all aren't taken the remainders are auctioneer again.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
They sold beaver 100% last year. Did they go too cheap?


Yes


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078784
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Thank You Steven


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078785
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I doubt if you will see the lesser goods selling way overvalue this year,like last year.
The better goods will bring premiums and the lesser goods will sell accordingly,which is how it should be,but you never know when the bidding gets stupid like last year.


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: Steven 49er] #8078860
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Thank You Steven

Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by Dirt
I have forgotten how the lot and string stuff works? I would appreciate it if Boco or Wissmiss or gibb or anybody in the know would explain how high bidders on one lot can somehow get the whole string? I may have this wrong?


You have it right. The high bidder can take one lot in the string, multiple lots or the whole string.

If he or she doesn't take them all the rest are offered at the hammer price. If they all aren't taken the remainders are auctioneer again.


String lots are more complicated than that. Some times you need a white board with XS and Os to follow the action.

I’ll go into more detail when I have time and feel like typing. It all has to do with timing and the drop of the hammer.


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Re: FHA preliminary offering [Re: mud] #8078864
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Thank You! wissmiss


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