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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: ol' dad] #8066092
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
The US military is partially made up if people just like us...trappers, hunters, firearm enthuiast.etc.. they are not robots.

Ol dad


Not to sure about The robot thing. The day you start basic training you have no input on what you do or how you do It and where you do It.


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066109
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I guess the oath they take becomes minningless.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066114
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We’ll be too busy neutralizing politicians to fight the military.


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066120
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there is no doubt in my mind the federal government would use military action against its own citizens..... if it wanted and/or needed to.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066125
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No reason to. They'd just freeze people's assets. Then the people will submit.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: loosegoose] #8066129
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Remember the civil war.

Not quite the same. That was two different countries (the CSA and the USA) fighting against each other. Or, at least, a group of people that considered themselves a separate country, whether they actually were or not.

I agree LG,
But it seems that our Gubmants become so big that they want to override the constitution and take over the US by doing so.
This is of course in reference to our current leadership.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: Mando] #8066133
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Originally Posted by Mando
No reason to. They'd just freeze people's assets. Then the people will submit.

Good point.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066148
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How many people under the age of 40, products of a government education, products of universities, have ever read the bill of rights, let alone the entire constitution. I have a niece, raised in Kentucky, a product of their school system, who told me she had heard of Daniel Boone but didnt know anything about him.


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066159
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Old dumb joe is setting the stage right now, with his MAGA talk. Has been for some time. Saw this morning they prosecuted a bunch of conservatives for peacefully protesting an abortion clinic. Meanwhile, his side trows waterbottles and rocks at the cops, and doj doesn’t lift a hand. It’s getting close!


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: HayDay] #8066210
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.

Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.

And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.


Lots of armed deer hunters, but remember less than 10% of the American colonists participated in the revolution. The rest either did nothing or were loyal to the king.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: Squash] #8066214
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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by HayDay
Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.

Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.

And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.


Lots of armed deer hunters, but remember less than 10% of the American colonists participated in the revolution. The rest either did nothing or were loyal to the king.

And we ran their butts into canada!

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066219
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Look at events like ruby ridge. Most folks will do as they are told. And they probibly dont even know the real reason they are told to turn against their fellow citizens.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066221
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With the help of the French, who by the way bankrupted their country for us, and then many French that supported the colonies lost their heads to the guillotine.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066222
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During Katrina the military was confiscatting firearms. They almost beat an old woman to death because she questioned their authority. The military will fight against you. They will do as they are told.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: Spike369] #8066223
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Originally Posted by Spike369
During Katrina the military was confiscatting firearms. They almost beat an old woman to death because she questioned their authority. The military will fight against you. They will do as they are told.


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066225
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Rank and file enlisted folks maybe, but I’d be willing to bet the men who bring the hammer would side with us….


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8066227
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
We’ll be too busy neutralizing politicians to fight the military.

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066242
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Who here was in the military and would you have fought against your own people if you were told to? This should answer the op's question.

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066263
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They would at first, till they have had a chance to think about it. They are so ingrained to follow orders, no matter how stupid, it will take a while for them to see just what's going on.


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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: BigBob] #8066282
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Originally Posted by BigBob
They would at first, till they have had a chance to think about it. They are so ingrained to follow orders, no matter how stupid, it will take a while for them to see just what's going on.


Once they loose a few friends there will be no thinking about it.

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