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Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.
Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.
And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: walleyed]
#8066023 02/01/2412:32 PM02/01/2412:32 PM
And how many of those gun owners will fight against their own country? Very few.
I would have to think if the military attacks its own people that most will fight against them. The folks in the military have a choice to attack their own or not. If they choose to they are just another enemy. If they are willing to kill me at the bidding of the government the fact they are American will not cross my mind.
United we stand,divided we fall.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066050 02/01/2412:58 PM02/01/2412:58 PM
My hope would be that somewhere at about the rank of Colonel, the orders coming down from above would stop, and get turned around going the other way. I have several former military members of my immediate and extended family, both enlisted and officers, and I can't imagine any of them lifting a finger against peaceful citizens. They would be joining them.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066053 02/01/2401:02 PM02/01/2401:02 PM
They did already. Google The Bonus Army. Also, what was the deal on the college campus that Neal Young sang about decades ago?
^^^^^ This right here is what I tell people when they bring this subject up. Gets my blood boiling. MacArthur Eisenhower and Patton all should have been shot. So yes, (some, not all) will shoot US citizens when ordered to.
Russ
U.S.ARMY(76-80) Member OSTA
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066060 02/01/2401:07 PM02/01/2401:07 PM
I think the video makes an accurate description when he says the Government are experts at propaganda. Military would be indoctrinated to believe civilians are the enemy.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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[Re: danny clifton]
#8066075 02/01/2401:39 PM02/01/2401:39 PM
Its been said many Germans were not Nazi's true or not no one knows What is true is when you can't trust the person standing next to you and you have secret police with no restrictions you're probably going along
olden tyred
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066080 02/01/2401:44 PM02/01/2401:44 PM
Not quite the same. That was two different countries (the CSA and the USA) fighting against each other. Or, at least, a group of people that considered themselves a separate country, whether they actually were or not.
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[Re: danny clifton]
#8066091 02/01/2401:53 PM02/01/2401:53 PM
Not quite the same. That was two different countries (the CSA and the USA) fighting against each other. Or, at least, a group of people that considered themselves a separate country, whether they actually were or not.
I agree LG, But it seems that our Gubmants become so big that they want to override the constitution and take over the US by doing so. This is of course in reference to our current leadership.
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[Re: Mando]
#8066133 02/01/2402:19 PM02/01/2402:19 PM
How many people under the age of 40, products of a government education, products of universities, have ever read the bill of rights, let alone the entire constitution. I have a niece, raised in Kentucky, a product of their school system, who told me she had heard of Daniel Boone but didnt know anything about him.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066159 02/01/2402:58 PM02/01/2402:58 PM
Old dumb joe is setting the stage right now, with his MAGA talk. Has been for some time. Saw this morning they prosecuted a bunch of conservatives for peacefully protesting an abortion clinic. Meanwhile, his side trows waterbottles and rocks at the cops, and doj doesn’t lift a hand. It’s getting close!
YOU CAN IGNORE REALITY, BUT YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING REALITY.
Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.
Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.
And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.
Lots of armed deer hunters, but remember less than 10% of the American colonists participated in the revolution. The rest either did nothing or were loyal to the king.
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[Re: Squash]
#8066214 02/01/2404:45 PM02/01/2404:45 PM
Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.
Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.
And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.
Lots of armed deer hunters, but remember less than 10% of the American colonists participated in the revolution. The rest either did nothing or were loyal to the king.
And we ran their butts into canada!
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066219 02/01/2404:53 PM02/01/2404:53 PM
Look at events like ruby ridge. Most folks will do as they are told. And they probibly dont even know the real reason they are told to turn against their fellow citizens.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066221 02/01/2404:54 PM02/01/2404:54 PM
With the help of the French, who by the way bankrupted their country for us, and then many French that supported the colonies lost their heads to the guillotine.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066222 02/01/2404:54 PM02/01/2404:54 PM
During Katrina the military was confiscatting firearms. They almost beat an old woman to death because she questioned their authority. The military will fight against you. They will do as they are told.
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[Re: Spike369]
#8066223 02/01/2404:55 PM02/01/2404:55 PM
During Katrina the military was confiscatting firearms. They almost beat an old woman to death because she questioned their authority. The military will fight against you. They will do as they are told.
X2
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[Re: danny clifton]
#8066225 02/01/2404:56 PM02/01/2404:56 PM
They would at first, till they have had a chance to think about it. They are so ingrained to follow orders, no matter how stupid, it will take a while for them to see just what's going on.
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: BigBob]
#8066282 02/01/2406:02 PM02/01/2406:02 PM
They would at first, till they have had a chance to think about it. They are so ingrained to follow orders, no matter how stupid, it will take a while for them to see just what's going on.
Once they loose a few friends there will be no thinking about it.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066287 02/01/2406:07 PM02/01/2406:07 PM
Nobody is going to be fighting the military. Besides they’ll be busy keeping the circling vultures away while the voters are battling it out.
Youre right Dementia Joey will have them all surrounding the white house while he turns the F16s on whoever is in the streets. I've asked this question for 2 years and no one can give me an answer. Question: how will you ID the enemy?"
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: Spike369]
#8066311 02/01/2406:37 PM02/01/2406:37 PM
There is a 9 in 10 chance you’re on the right target in DC. Odds are probably less in some other cities but the rat holes won’t be hard to locate to the trained eye.
Heard it many times right on this site, “the population centers elect them.”
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-Goofy-
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[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#8066316 02/01/2406:40 PM02/01/2406:40 PM
There is a 9 in 10 chance you’re on the right target in DC. Odds are probably less in some other cities but the rat holes won’t be hard to locate to the trained eye.
Heard it many times right on this site, “the population centers elect them.”
If unsure, look for other signs... blue or pink hair, sagging jeans, strange piercings, guys holding hands, BLM/rainbow/Palestine flags, etc.
~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
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[Re: HayDay]
#8066319 02/01/2406:41 PM02/01/2406:41 PM
My hope would be that somewhere at about the rank of Colonel, the orders coming down from above would stop, and get turned around going the other way. I have several former military members of my immediate and extended family, both enlisted and officers, and I can't imagine any of them lifting a finger against peaceful citizens. They would be joining them.
Between 2010 and 2013 Obama engaged in a purge of admirals and Generals that either disagreed with him or were known conservative patriots, (197) of them. That was 31% of our total Admirals and Generals at that time. This is how we end up with a woke incompetent like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley running the show today (retired this year). SO, to respond to your hope/prayer that "somewhere above the rank of Colonel, orders coming down from above would stop" AIN'T HAPPENING. My nephew just last year made Command Sergeant Major at FT. Carson here in Colorado and has NOW decided he wants out because of the way things are going, so bad that the military just made recall to active duty up to age 70. WHATS THAT SAY!
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[Re: wy.wolfer]
#8066322 02/01/2406:46 PM02/01/2406:46 PM
My hope would be that somewhere at about the rank of Colonel, the orders coming down from above would stop, and get turned around going the other way. I have several former military members of my immediate and extended family, both enlisted and officers, and I can't imagine any of them lifting a finger against peaceful citizens. They would be joining them.
Between 2010 and 2013 Obama engaged in a purge of admirals and Generals that either disagreed with him or were known conservative patriots, (197) of them. That was 31% of our total Admirals and Generals at that time. This is how we end up with a woke incompetent like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley running the show today (retired this year). SO, to respond to your hope/prayer that "somewhere above the rank of Colonel, orders coming down from above would stop" AIN'T HAPPENING. My nephew just last year made Command Sergeant Major at FT. Carson here in Colorado and has NOW decided he wants out because of the way things are going, so bad that the military just made recall to active duty up to age 70. WHATS THAT SAY!
Says they need more than an F16. lol
-Goofy-
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#8066323 02/01/2406:48 PM02/01/2406:48 PM
what's interesting is the trouble our military branches are experiencing in filling the ranks.... there are many, many reasons..... but my guess is no one is really interested anymore in being canon fodder for foreign corporate wars.... i don't blame them..... wars are about resources and money, that's it, any other reason for engaging in conflict is pure baloney.
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[Re: yotetrapper30]
#8066374 02/01/2407:57 PM02/01/2407:57 PM
There is a 9 in 10 chance you’re on the right target in DC. Odds are probably less in some other cities but the rat holes won’t be hard to locate to the trained eye.
Heard it many times right on this site, “the population centers elect them.”
If unsure, look for other signs... blue or pink hair, sagging jeans, strange piercings, guys holding hands, BLM/rainbow/Palestine flags, etc.
LMAO!
-Goofy-
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: ol' dad]
#8066410 02/01/2408:30 PM02/01/2408:30 PM
We’ll be too busy neutralizing politicians to fight the military.
But FIRST!!! The media!! That is the propaganda arm. Control that arm and you control the hearts and minds.
Media FIRST!!!
That means control of every news station, newspaper, and radio station. Eliminate means of transmission in all but very few of radio and TV stations. If you are going to be overrun, have magnesium fire starters and a plumbers torch and light them all up.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
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[Re: bowhunter27295]
#8066435 02/01/2409:04 PM02/01/2409:04 PM
We’ll be too busy neutralizing politicians to fight the military.
But FIRST!!! The media!! That is the propaganda arm. Control that arm and you control the hearts and minds.
Media FIRST!!!
That means control of every news station, newspaper, and radio station. Eliminate means of transmission in all but very few of radio and TV stations. If you are going to be overrun, have magnesium fire starters and a plumbers torch and light them all up.
You won’t be able to find anyone currently in the media when it goes down. They will be as scarce as hen’s teeth. lol
Don Lemon will be asking “who is Don Lemon?”
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-Goofy-
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[Re: Oh Snap]
#8066869 02/02/2411:45 AM02/02/2411:45 AM
They have before and will do it again. Just ask Logan County WV where the Military came in and Machine gunned a whole Coal town of Women and Children then the Miners Blasted the trestle in front and back and starved the soldiers out. If Politicians want something they will use the Military to get it.
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: randall brannon]
#8066919 02/02/2412:46 PM02/02/2412:46 PM
They have before and will do it again. Just ask Logan County WV where the Military came in and Machine gunned a whole Coal town of Women and Children then the Miners Blasted the trestle in front and back and starved the soldiers out. If Politicians want something they will use the Military to get it.
That's horrible. I never knew this happened. Sounds like the miners gave them something to cry about.
They have before and will do it again. Just ask Logan County WV where the Military came in and Machine gunned a whole Coal town of Women and Children then the Miners Blasted the trestle in front and back and starved the soldiers out. If Politicians want something they will use the Military to get it.
Only 50 > 100 miners were killed with more wounded, Nothing about women and children being killed.
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8066996 02/02/2402:14 PM02/02/2402:14 PM
RCMP tried to get the CA Forces To help the kick in doors and collect firearms during the flooding in High River Alberta years ago. The army had the equipment and man power. Once the CO or whoever found out what they were doing, they pulled their resources back to help with the disaster efforts.
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[Re: Posco]
#8067136 02/02/2405:57 PM02/02/2405:57 PM
My biggest fear when my kids were in the service during the Obama years was that at some point the scenario where the military would be used against citizens and we would come face to face against each other in armed conflict. Times have only gotten worse ... I'm afraid it's coming, only bright spot for me is, my kids aren't military anymore, so they will be by my side; to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: ol' dad]
#8074770 02/11/2408:15 PM02/11/2408:15 PM
Governments never had a problem finding thugs to do their bidding, go back in history as far as you want, a few recent examples , Stalin, Pol Pot, pretty much any communist or dictatorial regime.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens
[Re: danny clifton]
#8075140 02/12/2408:20 AM02/12/2408:20 AM
