Trappers that constantly vote for anti-hunting, trapping and gun liberals yet belong to their state trappers association or the NTA and FTA. They say they belong to help trappers defeat the anti’s. I personally know several including a cousin of mine. Are they hypocrites? I think so. Also, do the State Trappers Association stay quite on this issue since they don’t want to lose members even though their vote for liberal politicians are hurting us more than the few dollars they donate to the Associations. By the way, I think all the anti-hunting and trapping legislation and rules in the last 40 years were sponsored or came from Democrats.

There are some here on Tman.

Easy to pick em out.....they're the ones that say they are for the 2nd amendment, lower taxes, less gov control, scientific wildlife management, etc, but don't like conservatism.

Yep they exist on here for sure.

Last election meeting I attended when asked who
was ready to step up.
The D2 members climbed under their chair,
BOTH OF EM.

You listed some pretty good attributes. I remember when those were the qualities of a conservative.

They still are, but some liberals TRY TO HIDE behind them....

That's a good list of everything the last administration was doing, but there are a couple who claim to be for all that, but yet can't pass a thread up to demagogue that administration.

Go figure....my mind was made up what they are along time ago. I guess they think they are pulling the wool over our eyes, lol.

hippie,
They know who they are...lol. Not enough wool to cover 'em...

What disorder would describe a person that’s always at odds with about everyone else but still believes he’s like minded?

The associations can't control how their members vote. They can and do fight the good fight, but some are going to vote against their own self interest no matter what. I agree it makes no sense.

So if you stand for those things, how are you a liberal?

by voting for democrats

By talking out both sides of their mouths?

Good question, how do you do it? Never mind....we all know how you do it.

I have a neutral political stand. I think many would berate me for that. My hope is for God’s government. I was always worried that involving myself with my state trapping association would create some friction.

They should be striped of there guns and giving a backhand to the face!!

Are ya feeling like some of us are talking about you???

Ding! Ding! ^^^ we have a winner!

This

I've never personally met a conservative that supports the 2nd amendment as written. As an example, one person in this thread is calling for some folks to have their guns taken away. That person clearly doesn't support the second amendment as written, and yet probably considers themselves a conservative.

I believe I support the 2nd Amendment as written. I believe that felons should be allowed to own guns once they've served their time. I also believe no one should take guns away from the mentally ill. It is my belief that if someone is too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be on the street at all. I believe every free man, woman or child should be allowed to own a gun regardless of age, sex, religious status, political beliefs, or impairments.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.... and I hope I am not taking away from grandpa's post but....I believe there is a BIGGER issue. And please...these my thoughts so take it or leave it. Possibly the bigger issue is not enough trappers joining their own state trapping assoc.s, Fur Takers of America, NTA( I realize there are ongoing issues now and have been in the past) or any other organization that supports trapping. There is just no reason in my mind not to at least pick one org. and support what we do and fight for.

When I used to attend the D2 meetings, we had a fairly good attendance. Last one was probably about 7 years ago. Has attendance dropped since then?

There’s a documentary on Amazon “Trapper Jake”. He’s the same as you. Doesn’t care about red or blue, just voted for the guy who could do some good. He died 10-15 years ago. Good documentary.

Like what the government is doing to Canadians?…lol

There is wisdom in this to a point since we have a 2 sided controlled opposition system where both sided are owned by the same intrest. The people are giving the illusion they have a voice in the government to keep them
in line and under control . Yet there is a song that sums it up well. You got to stand for something or you will fall for anything.

If a person stands for evil then the song doesn’t work.

Must be different here.
We have had ministers of Natural resources on both sides,liberal and conservative that have stood up for trappers.
For example,it was a Conservative Govt minister that closed the spring bear hunt in Ontario,and it was re instated by a Liberal minister.

Having read what you have said about liberal vs. conservative in the past, and what different people from Europe have said, I believe that the terms are defined differently in the US vs. the rest of the world.

There are lots of confused folks in the USA. Most do not know what they 'believe' in.

It's bigger than joining MChewk. It's not enough to join, they need to open up their wallets and do voluntary work.

How does this sound. If you are not locked up in jail or a mental hospital you can own and carry any weapon you please. No background check, no forms, no permits. It doesn't matter if you have been convicted of anything. If you are safe enough to be walking free, you are safe enough to carry arms. On the same note, the death penalty should be reinstated for certain crimes.

it WOULD help if they didn't fund, aid and abet our enemies.

Grandpa Trapper , have you ever voted for a democrat?

I have a family member that owns guns and hunts but votes straight democ#$%@ everytime.

Is voting a certain way going to put a stop to groups like the Center for Biological Diversity? PETA? ASPCA? European Fur Ban?

When it comes to gun rights there are very few politicians I trust left or right.

Why would anyone do that?

Oh boy. Another thread about how anyone who doesn't mouth the MAGA agenda and believe in Trump as the messiah is a traitor to guns, hunting, and trapping. Grandpa, I had higher regard for you; I am disappointed, sir.

When Trump was elected, I told myself he was just a blowhard, a self-absorbed clown. I've come to realize that, while he is those things, he's also dangerous. He has no regard for the office, the Constitution, our laws, the republic, or its citizens. He's probably the most divisive person ever to enter US politics. If he gets back in office, the presidency won't be just a laughing stock this time.

People who talk about how conservative they are while swallowing the MAGA lies make me laugh. Trump has nothing to do with real conservative policies.

Have a good Christmas, and do lean away from demagogues.

Jim

I’m seeing people joining a Facebook trapping group in their minds as supporting trapping. As soon as it becomes time to step up, donate, support associations, write letters, go to game dept. meetings or speak at legislative hearings, or in any other way support trapping they’re nowhere to be found….except on to another Facebook group.

In a society where thinking for yourself and learning the facts surrounding the situation are no longer valued Now we rewrite history to make it fit into some new age concept of how the world should be And the vast majority of todays mindless wonders do not want to know that fast They only confuses Believing in lies is so much easier .

TDS is bad with this one now you’re all MAGA if you don’t agree with Snowshoe Jimmy.

Deflection is a great tell. It is a fact that anti-fur,-hunting,-trapping, fishing , anything anti-outside has been facilitated by democrats and democrats only. This is not arguable even by your standards. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, it votes like a duck.

You're right James...Trump has NOTHING to do with real conservative policies.
To right this ship...we've got to have someone that scares folks like you.

wow, you really dont have to look any farther than this! i guess america really does deserve biden!

The OP didn't mention Trump at all. Seems like your the one who is obsessed.

The lines can be blurred at times,and it may vary more from state to state,but its a fact the Democratic party is no friend to the gun owner or the fur industry,and that's a fact.

Money.

And James has always been a good democrat.

Know them or not, they will be the ones we face on the battlefield, as they are likely gun owners.

Nah, they'll give them up when told to by their leader.

That would be disappointing.

Poor democrats....haven't they suffered enough? Most of them living in the ghettos that we call cities. Hey Merry Christmas y'all!

I have met James, so I guess I do, lol.

Sorry to disappoint you James. As I said in my original post, I know people who belong to State Trapping Associations and vote for people that want to take their privileges away. They seem to be the first people to complain about the antis but voted for these anti-trapping legislatures. The same is true in hunting and gun rights. I stand by my statement that is always Democrat politicians that are trying to destroy our way of life. In the last 40-50 years, since the Anti-hunting and trapping groups have sprung up, I don’t remember one time that any Conservative politicians trying to stop hunting and trapping. As for Trump and MAGA, my post had nothing to do with them so I don’t know the reason anybody would bring it up. Like always, I am hoping. and as per Paul’s guidelines, the discussion stays with hunting, trapping and gun rights. To sum it up, I am sick and tired of seeing my way of life being constantly eroded by the same group of Anti’s. I feel we are fighting a losing battle with the voting mindset of many of our fellow hunters, trappers and gun owners.

LOL Leave it to a demagogue to get a thread axed!

I don't agree with James's political stance, (after all, I'm not a Democrat), but I don't think he (or anyone else) would call me a MAGA believer either.

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Gotta love someone who says trump is dangerous but never says a liberal is dangerous and then says he is a conservative....what BS.

Trump is dangerous because he punches back. LMAO!

That’s what we need to be doing to the anti groups instead of trying a appease them.

Never a peep about the downgrading of the U.S.A. that has happened over the last 3 years. It speaks volumes and solidifies my opinion of them.

If a guy that can’t recognize what’s been going on for the last 8+ years and won’t admit it stinks just how can I value anything they have to say then? The ones saying anybody should be in prison but can’t say what for exactly then claim to respect the Constitution drive me nuts. People simple have lost their minds today

there is a feeling that the citizens of this country will never have to pay for what has been going on all these years....just buy a bigger house and a $80,000 vehicle...it will all be A-OK.

Before Hitler took over Germany, it took a wheel barrel of money to buy a loaf of bread.
All part of the master globalist plan.

I know of two. Easy to pick out since they LIE about everything whine about Trump and support every leftist BS like open Borders and even claim to be things they are not like Doctors!!! Then they try to twist everything like that is normal.

The Christmas Spirit on this thread is remarkable!

Terminal!!!

I guess we aren’t going to keep this thread about hunting, trapping and gun rights.

I still believe anti trapping and hunting is tied to political motives.
Thought that in the late 60's when Friends of Animals was making a big deal out of the wolf hunts in Alaska.
Just a foot in the door, and little steps from there to what we have today.
Little use of guns without hunting and trapping.

I know of several ! I struggle with individuals claiming to be Sportsman while voting for an anti-sportsman agenda.

Very true. Just like Joe Manchin who claims he is pro second amendment but always votes for anti-gun Supreme Court Justices that can really do us a lot of harm.

Trump has a great deal to do with why hunters and trappers vote Democrat. And will in the next election. If Republicans would nominate a person of half-decent character, sportsmen wouldn't be put in this dilemma.

And yes, it's undeniable that most anti laws are put forward by Democrats. Who claimed otherwise?

But no, as I've said before, I am not a Democrat. Some of my views are liberal though, which I'm not ashamed of. I reserve the right--as I assume you all do--to vote for the candidate who comes closest to my own views and interests, overall.


Jim

Four of those eight years were Trump's. I agree--he didn't do anything to slow our descent, did he? Why not try someone new?

Jim

My apologies for implying that you're a Democrat. I was under the impression that that's how you voted in the past. I try not to use that slur unless I'm pretty sure of it.

Calling names is what gets threads deleted.......

As for "demagogue," I don't think you know what the word means. Maybe you should look it up before you use it again.

Jim

I used to be a Democrat. Born and raised in a union family of steelworkers and coal miners. After the Dems started going after guns, I changed to Republican and I am now an Independent since the Republicans are made up mostly do nothing Rinos. Can’t win with either party.

You didn't imply it, you said it outright. But that's okay--I get called a Democrat every day here.

Jim

I can smell a former democrat ( who is responsible for what democrats did) from apparently over 3000 miles away.

Should we wait on you to tell us if a new Republican candidate has half decent character? How else will we know?

I didn't exactly say it, I just said I don't agree with your political stance and that I'm not a democrat. But still. It's good to be called a liberal by Trumpers. I get it all the time.

Funny you bring this subject up, because I have been thinking about exactly this subject for the past week. I do not understand how or why these trappers reconcile this obvious contradiction in their heads. Maybe they don't reconcile the obvious contradiction, and they just go about their business like a chameleon. It is strange, unsettling, sometimes infuriating. And watch out when they get any kind of power in any of the related associations.

Knowing what we do about Biden’s Character how can anyone possibly throw rocks at Trump !

I think your sidekick fired it up.

x2

Jeez Louise, I think Mark June had the right idea!!

Personally, I can't fathom anybody on here being OK with telling others on here how they need to think and act to fit in. Seems un-American.

A good example of bad logic.

A more logical, better-reasoned approach would be to recognize that both men deserve to be the targets of rocks.

Jim

People have principles, often grounded in Biblical and constitutional values, and their decisions and actions flow from those principles. When they see behavior and thinking that does not flow from those principles, or even from any principles, they engage in their First Amendment right to have a discussion. I am unafraid to have any discussion with anyone about politics, religion etc because my principles are the same as America's founding principles. I am amazed at how every single liberal/leftist/communist/ Stalinist/ fascist I know cannot bring themselves to have any kind of a discussion about anything except the Steelers-Eagles game. It is as if they have no confidence in their own ideas, no principles, and do not want to hear any information contrary to what they want to think. This is a quintessentially American discussion, because America is a constitutional republic that requires We, The People to stay engaged all the time. Or, if we disengage, and hide from debate, we will lose the country.

Fascinating. Biden is a traitor with deposited checks directly from China, whose business is selling himself and inside information to our worst enemies. Trump? What did he do wrong? Really?

It's a contradiction only if you persist in seeing the world as black or white.

Me, I see shades of gray, and even other colors sometimes.

Jim

He is.

sometimes, the world really IS black and white.

if you see it as green when it is white (or black), your thinking is incorrect.

No he's not, he's a hard-core leftist.

Same thing.

James has a point. While Trump is clearly a better choice than biden, let's not pretend that Trump is some moral giant.

Trump is not a traitor. I would not want to be married to him, although I was mighty impressed a guy his age was being ...entertained ... by Rusty Nails or whatever her stage name was. Trump is now a martyr, and for tens of millions of us Americans, it's either Trump 2024 or the entire republic is gone without any chance of resuscitating it.

I'm not voting for him to be my best friend.

I'm voting for him for 2 main reasons:

1. I agree with most of his policies (although he spends too much money, too)
B. he truly DOES love America and he fights for it; doesn't try to "fundamentally change" it.

I am neither Republican nor Democrat. Neither leading candidate is of good moral character. I dislike both. But our country cannot withstand four more years of Biden. I'll vote for anyone but him.

So, care to list any Republicans you have voted for in the past? For Federal office?

Its none of anybodys buisness to tell someone how to vote.
And I vote center right and anybody that wants to change how I vote can KMA.

so you are a Justine Trudeau supporter...makes sense

No Pierre Poilievre.
Trudope is a lefty.

Dang James. You sure get sucked into these topics easily.
Biden has a pulse.
Trump has a pulse.

You made a promise I believe?

He didn't grease the rails and put us on a fast track either did he?

Because the left leaning media points out any flaw in Trump while ignoring Biden’s incompetence ? I didn’t vote for Trump to be my Pastor. I voted for him because his policies were rock solid. The only thing more rock solid is the current administrations incompetence.

I don't believe James to be a leftist. As with religion, I believe James is an agnostic to politics. It's easier that way, you can call balls and strikes without ever having to stand on any set of beliefs. Just the way I see it.

Good point. But being a Lawyer, he's gotta keep his original motives in place.
Overall, I think he's an alright fella.

a good example of bad logic...

ok i am back to admiring you like the old days

LOL.

Who did call a name? Just repeated what was posted.
And yes I know what it refers to.

You called me a "demagogue," which is a name you intended as an insult. But it's too silly to find offensive. I don't have any followers, dogma, or whines about what a victim I am.

You don't know what the word means. I suggest you look it up.

Jim