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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8129837
04/27/24 11:40 PM
04/27/24 11:40 PM
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Did the castor market crash? A month or 2 ago in Ontario they were paying $50CAD all in.

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130170
04/28/24 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Met Gary Groenewold & The Beaver Wagon at Carson's Pizza barn yard
in Adams, N.Y. to sell my beaver plews this morning.

There were 15 other trapper's pickup trucks waiting to sell as well.

Ended up selling 16 larger beaver & "NO SALED" 15 med/small plews.

These were raw, rough skinned, frozen, folded in half pelts.

Prices as follows:

2 3XL @ $40.00.

4 2XL @ $32.00.

8 1XL- LG @ $22.00.

2 Med @ $10.00.

1 Past Prime 1XL mink @ $4.00.

16 Beaver total @ $404.00. $25.25 average.

Gary offered $5.00 each for 15 med/small beaver
which we "no saled" as we already had a better offer.

Thought there was a tough grade on the 1XL which
Gary said were "small 1XL's" & he graded/payed for them as larges.

Saw Muskrats sold @ $6-$4-$2.50-$1.

Mink: female $4.00.Males $5.00 to $7.00.

Otter: $35-$25-$20.

Grey Fox: $12.00.

Red Fox: $10.00.

Bobcat: $60.00

Coon: $5-$3-$1.

Coyotes -Not Happy !! $7-$5-$3-NV.

Fisher $40-$30-$20.

Castor: $15.00 a pound.

The Beaver Wagon was jam-packed 3/4ths full to the ceiling with
mostly frozen beaver. Beaver trapping is alive & well in Northern New York State.

Big Thank you to Gary Groenewold for providing New York trappers
with a fair, honest, & convenient option for selling their wild fur.

That's what I saw & how I did !!! laugh

walleyed

So, if you included your medium and small beaver the beaver average you brought to Groeny would have been $15.45 correct? OOPS! I just read the entire thread and see that "Peeler" already covered this.

Last edited by wy.wolfer; 04/28/24 07:16 PM.
Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: wy.wolfer] #8130227
04/28/24 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer

So, if you included your medium and small beaver the beaver average you brought to Groeny would have been $15.45 correct? OOPS! I just read the entire thread and see that "Peeler" already covered this.


My god, you guys are dense !!!

I reported on the average for the beaver I did sell.

NOT the beaver I didn't sell.

What's your point ? confused

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Last edited by walleyed; 04/28/24 08:44 PM.

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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130265
04/28/24 10:06 PM
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Walleyed just send wy.wolfer one of those Groney rocks with a one cent stamp so he has to pay postage due

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130306
04/29/24 01:05 AM
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The point is your average was skewed because you only sold your higher value pelts. It's not a true average for others to look at.


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130315
04/29/24 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Gary offered $5.00 each for 15 med/small beaver
which we "no saled" as we already had a better offer.

Sooo....Groeny really doesn't rock.

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: beaverpeeler] #8130319
04/29/24 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
The point is your average was skewed because you only sold your higher value pelts. It's not a true average for others to look at.


The real point is everybody had all the information they needed, full disclosure,
to know what happened at the beaver wagon.

Nobody was trying to deceive anyone as
the good, the bad, & the ugly was still there for all to see.

I sold half of my larger green beaver for a $25.25 average &
will sell the green medium/small kits to someone else for more
than Gary was willing to pay, and then told you about it

No different than selling your #1 castor for $100.00 a pound,
holding back your shells to make lure, & committing your
number #2 to FHA purgatory !!! LOL

Or coon trapping & throwing the sows, kits, & dinks in the ditch
and only selling your 3XL, 4XL, & Jumbos at auction.

Happens all the time when wild fur products get marketed.

Please excuse me for striving to market my green fur
where I could realize the best value on it & then telling you about it. laugh

Little wonder why very few trappers post their efforts & results
on how they market their fur for the benefit of others.

For my trapping reality & situation, Groeny still Rocks !!! laugh

walleyed


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130334
04/29/24 06:37 AM
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If you are happy, we are happy.


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130345
04/29/24 07:13 AM
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Have to admit it looks a bit suspect. Some of us have difficulty reading in comprehension. We tend to scan sizes and numbers. Skip the fine print.

Puzzles can be fun tho.

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: woodlot] #8130376
04/29/24 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by woodlot
I too saw Groeny today. I thought his price on unfinished beaver was pretty fair. I do agree with Walleyed that he may have hedged some on the smaller sizes. Maybe not so good on finished goods that could have been marketed other places. Overall, if you had decent sized unfinished beaver, you did pretty good.

Same thing down South....^^^^

But, Gary stated in a video about a year ago this very thing ^^^^

He said spend your time catching beaver and let them do the put up (as they had mechanical fleshing machines.)

Raw, frozen beaver = you will do pretty good selling to GFW = looser sizing and looser grade.

So, spend your time catching more beaver, but you have to have the freezer space.




Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 04/29/24 08:44 AM. Reason: More Info

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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130424
04/29/24 10:26 AM
04/29/24 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by walleyed
[quote=beaverpeeler]The point is your average was skewed because you only sold your higher value pelts. It's not a true average for others to look at.


The real point is everybody had all the information they needed, full disclosure,
to know what happened at the beaver wagon.

Nobody was trying to deceive anyone as
the good, the bad, & the ugly was still there for all to see.

I sold half of my larger green beaver for a $25.25 average &
will sell the green medium/small kits to someone else for more
than Gary was willing to pay, and then told you about it

No different than selling your #1 castor for $100.00 a pound,
holding back your shells to make lure, & committing your
number #2 to FHA purgatory !!! LOL

Or coon trapping & throwing the sows, kits, & dinks in the ditch
and only selling your 3XL, 4XL, & Jumbos at auction.

Happens all the time when wild fur products get marketed.

Please excuse me for striving to market my green fur
where I could realize the best value on it & then telling you about it. laugh

Little wonder why very few trappers post their efforts & results
on how they market their fur for the benefit of others.

For my trapping reality & situation, Groeny still Rocks !!! laugh

walleyed[/

My trapping season is done so all I can do now is find new ways to irritate my fellow trapper! However, I was just responding to your asking what was the point of some of us bringing up what the average would have been had you been all in. (And the above was the point). grin

Glad you're happy with your transaction.

Last edited by beaverpeeler; 04/29/24 10:28 AM.

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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130425
04/29/24 10:29 AM
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I would rather see the thread say "Groeny Pays Fair $" rather than Rocks. Unless there are something special about rocks they have no value.

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: Slick Pan] #8130431
04/29/24 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
I would rather see the thread say "Groeny Pays Fair $" rather than Rocks. Unless there are something special about rocks they have no value.

For us southerners...Groeny Rocks!

There is NO other fur selling option in the SE US.


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8130433
04/29/24 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Slick Pan
I would rather see the thread say "Groeny Pays Fair $" rather than Rocks. Unless there are something special about rocks they have no value.

For us southerners...Groeny Rocks!

There is NO other fur selling option in the SE US.

Same here , and as you have stated most of us don’t have the premium fur that comes out of northern regions

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130440
04/29/24 11:27 AM
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Walleyed has premium northern fur. Are prices at income producing levels? If not, what do I care.


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: Slick Pan] #8130459
04/29/24 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
I would rather see the thread say "Groeny Pays Fair $" rather than Rocks. Unless there are something special about rocks they have no value.

That's where you are wrong, I get $275/pallet for field stone(rocks). Not sure if Grony rock are worth that much! grin

Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130475
04/29/24 01:03 PM
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Mike Mason rocks!


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: Dirt] #8130484
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Walleyed has premium northern fur. Are prices at income producing levels? If not, what do I care.


What is income? Reportable to IRS? Enough $$ to buy a happy meal?

Are you producing enough fur to call it "income"?

Never have seen a post from you about your fur income or sale averages or even how much fur/numbers you produce. Just comments on why some us shouldn't sell pelts in a down market because it hurts your market.


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: walleyed] #8130491
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I love the off-season! Bunch of grumpy ol' trappers chewing on each other. laugh


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Re: GROENY ROCKS AGAIN !!! [Re: Slick Pan] #8130492
04/29/24 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
I would rather see the thread say "Groeny Pays Fair $" rather than Rocks.



This may come as a surprise to you, Sick Pan.........but walleyed

is not really too concerned about what you would rather see !!!! LOL laugh

w

Last edited by walleyed; 04/29/24 03:16 PM.

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