My son in Texas just broke up with his fiance after a year, had wedding plans and honeymoon all set.
He finds out that she's been lying about everything for the year, she admitted to saying and agreeing to things she thought he wanted to hear, had us all fooled, of course he was upset.
The begging and promises made after he dumped her was amazing, as were the fits of rage in between. She has admitted that she needs help and isn't a good person...
I guess the act was getting harder to maintain, and finally the truth came out. Thankfully before having to share half his stuff.

So.....y'all be careful, don't rush into making life altering plans, don't let the idea of togetherness blind you to the realities....You've heard this all before but please beware there's a LOT of mentally challenged folks out there.... and no, she wasn't a red head....

It works both ways.

She must have dyed her red hair !!

Your expectations of the younger generations are not the same as your generations expectations many were free range raised and never taught the important things in life. Old enough to walk you're on your own is more common parenting with many families. I kind of feel bad for the kids that never had the basics offered to them.

A ND 1 more thing make sure she a real woman!! and she was born that way! Just think what you would do . I'm glad I not out looking today.

They call that a female NARCISSIST. Have your son YouTube it today. It’s a terrible thing to go through. It will take a long time to recover from her and lies. Don’t ask me how I know. MD

The problem lies with Jesus. He was a carpenter, not an electrician. He didn't wire them up right.

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Sounds like my ex wife, glad your boy didn't get as far as I did. I lost 15 years of hard work and careful savings. Glad she's gone but what a difficult situation.

Lola......la...la...la...lola......

Buddy’s daughter was out of town for a job interview and found out her boyfriend was tracking her phone and wanted to know where she went and who she visited. They had been a couple for several years in collage but she dumped him.

Nowadays , it has become a bit necessary to get a DNA test with a new baby.

Statistics have shown approximately 30% of newborns are being raised by their non-biological father unknowingly. Some states will still seek child support even after paternity has been proven false but the courts will go after the man who signed the birth certificate.

Search some YouTube videos on the subject. It is scary......

Sad times we live in.

That's 30% of people who take the test, most take the test because they suspect, it's likely not close to 30% of total.

Crazy Stuff

There’s a guy on YouTube that’s a street interviewer in Vegas he asks provocative questions to females on the strip. The questions are rather consistent so it’s easy to form a pattern it’s surprising what they say.

If you really listen you hear some even more disturbing things about how casual human relationships have become now.

The numbers are raw , and even the people giving you the stats will tell you that. The odd part was about 25%-50% of these numbers came from sorta accidental tests where paternity was not the main objective of the test but instead it came up under other medical tests that showed DNA and the findings were incidental , but became known.

Things are weird nowadays.
A young girl in town set up a go fund me and raised enough money to buy a brand new car.
People are gullible beyond belief.

Better to find out now.

I only gave the redacted version, lol, there was so much more... The funny thing is she's very educated, a Pharmacist, makes big money. Just a strange and sad situation, though maybe not so strange nowadays.
And your right it's going to take time for him to recover, he truly believed she was the one, and it wasn't his first rodeo.
I'm not blaming all women, it could be the other way around too. Just seems that there are more whacky females than males... but who knows, I'm just a broken down clamdigger and never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express!,

Was she lying about being a pharmacist?

Women are every bit as rotten as men. Let that sink in when looking for one.

GCS,
You've sparked my curiosity.

Just what was she lying about?

Funny you should say she was a pharmacist! Sounds simular to a lady I dated. About the time things started to get serious I got a call from my bank congratulating me on my up coming nuptials. Only thing is I hadn't proposed and asked what she ment. Stated a young lady came into the bank and introduced herself as my fiinace and wanted access to my bank accountd. Seems she had my checking account # and wanted to know what my balance was. Fortunately they told here I had to sign some papers allowing her access to my accounts. I was running a construction company and had a fair amount in my account but I know she had much more money than I did. Broke it off that afternoon as that was just one of many things she tried to pull on me. She was one crazy wak-a-doodle! Was told shortly afterwards by a friend that "If it flys, floats or flirts, it's cheaper to rent!"

I know one that took a church for about 250000 pretended she had pancreatic cancer, she had kids at home to boot, and I know the couple that really took care of her and even went to the doctor with her but didn’t go into the exam room and she fooled everyone until the doctor caught on to what was happening and reported her to DHS for fear she would hurt the kids to get more money.

I keep reminding myself most are older on this form.


Todays modern woman has been told since birth they don't need a man that they are the prize. They sleep around like crazy often having more partners by the time they finish highschool than 59 year old woman.

They bounce from man to man through their 20 about 30 start asking where the good men are. That gets worse at 35 to 40.

Ask a girl in her 20s what here requirements are . It will be something like over 6' making 6 figures ECT.

The average man is 5'9" and 100,000k is not something many make let along young men.

Men go up in value as they age. The become financially stable and experienced.

Women go down in value. They become less fertile and have more baggage. There is no value in getting married today for a man. Over 50% end in divorce and over 70% of those are the woman doing that. Loose half hour stuff, kids retirement ECT.. what's in if for a man today.

The internet is full of women in their 30s and up talking about wanting a husband. But listen to what they say and break it down. They want to be taken care of aka the benefits of being married but have no interest in doing any of the work. . They never say they have an interest in being a wife.


The more I see the more I'm worried about my boys finding a wife quality woman. I'm raising husband quality young men anh hope they can find a like minded Christ focused woman to become their wife.

I'm thinking about telling them to ask for a prenup when that time comes because I'm working myself in the ground laying groundwork and a good foundation for them and don't want some women coming along and walking off with half of it. If they won't well either siblings that do will get a bigger share. That or if the trust the farm is in protects it is something Im going to have to look into.


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Smart phones and tablets are a ruin, I think the parents are most to blame.

Instant gratification via social media

Parents are too busy on their phones , rather than parenting. Kids aren’t learning the basics.
Just watch our April memes thread and how many views it gets. Phones/memes/reels are an addiction just as bad as any drug!

Mom used to call for us to come inside when it was dinnertime. Now gotta beg kids to get outside.

A good law in Iowa is if you inherited something the spouse can’t get it in the divorce, it stops a lot of gold digging.

The rest find out on the Maury Povich show.

Live alone and practice abstinence? No more problemz

Saw a statistic the other day where 90% of the women are going after the same 10% of the men. And. Ankot figure out why Chad and Tyrone won’t commit.

The women are all chasing the same guy. Looking for the three 6’s.

I've said and agree with much of what you said but there are good women out there. We volunteered at a Kids Rodeo Bible Camp and there were some young ladies there that had a heart for the lord and were volunteering (or being paid a small amount) to teach kids. These girls were hard working, they had a lot of offer in a relationship (Judging by brief meetings/discussions). Many young men are not a prize, they watch to much Porn, play to many Video Games, have few skills and work minimally. Women don't want a large man child and that's what to many men are. Even in the outdoors, I have friends who spend to much on guns, fishing or hunting trips to the point it negatively effects their family imo, wife has to work a full time job with kids in daycare because guys want to fish and hunt all the time and have the toys to go along with it.

Men and women have it rough right now, best advice I can give after going through one heckuva mess is go to church, find a spouse who has similar beliefs and work ethic and I'll add its absolutely fair to judge someone based on their family, mental health issues are genetic and can pop up in the future.

I have been married 54 1/2 years. Knew the bride for several weeks before the ceremony. I guess you never know.

So, if she gets half of all my stuff, now; she probably deserves it.

Crazy times we live in now, people are crazy.
Male's and female's.
Glad I was able to find a good wife. It's nice to just live simple.
I never liked high life style girls.

Guess I just don't see the difference. The number of people I know that married, divorced, cheated, drinking, drugs, abuse, etc., etc., etc., I could just never figure out how and why people fall for it all, just blind I guess, see what we want and not what is real. Different times but the same type of crazy, worthless, people around. Male or female. I am 61 still shake my head. I am not diminishing your son's heartbreak, mine went through it as well, a similar situation. Tried to tell him.

All women are crazy, told my boy to just find the one with the amount of crazy they can put up with. One of my sons was bringing a different girl over every weekend. This went on the first few months of his Senior year. One weekend this young lady walked through the door and again the next weekend. My wife and I looked at each other thinking this one must be special. The next Friday Brennan brought her for dinner and stated she wanted to go duck hunting with us the next morning and she has her own waders and gun, did I care if she tagged along?
I told my wife after the hunt that she was the one to tame that boy, lol!
2017 they married. 2021 they gave us our first grandchild. 2024 they’re still together and raising that grand baby the same way I raised my son. Never had a daughter, but I dang sure do now.

Tell your son to find him a country gal that ain’t afraid to get her hands dirty and still be a lady.

So what did she do ?

First thing,find out if they can skin good.
If they can then everything else is likely good.

Yes she's a real Pharmacist,
The lies were about how she loved how my son supports his sister, they share the house, reality , wanted her gone, one of her please come back statements was she'd give my daughter $5,000, and 500 a month to leave... said she'd give my son all her savings if he'd love her again,...She loved all the friends they have, reality, hated them,and was manipulating them out of their lives, said she'd find him a friend if he wanted.Also accused him of sleeping with my daughters friend and a woman that plays online games with him that he never actually met...
Loved the pets, and wanted her own puppy, reality, hated them and said it was disgusting to have animals in the house.
I could go on, needles to say nothing could be trusted.
Like I said, she acted like the sweetest thing since sugar, but had a soul of vinegar...

Appreciate y'all listening to this cautionary tale, glad to keep you entertained,

^^^^^^
Pharmacist....Hmm. Do you think that maybe she's been sampling the goods for some time?

She sounds nuttier than squirrel poop. Would even "find him a friend if he wanted". Now that would be interesting to watch.

Ok let’s get this straight. He dumped a woman making six digits because she didn’t want her sister in law living with them ? Not many women would ! She even offered to help her get a place of her own ?
Sharing his stuff if a married? Sounds like she can get her own things !!
What age are your kids ? Maybe his sister needs to be out on her own. Good luck finding a woman that wants her sister in law living with them.

Of course if there is a handicap involved then that changes things

......... as impossible as it seems right now, don't be surprised if they end up getting back together.

Seems now days we seem to lean biased toward thinking of protecting the man and his welfare. A prenup is not a new fancy but was thought up long ago and was a ketubah. .It was conceived to be a protection for the woman and not only because the woman had no assets when she married.

One such time was mentioned in the Talmud when if a woman married a tanner and brought her dowry with her and before 6 months was up found that he stank too bad and she couldn't tolerate it, then she could leave and take her dowry with her. If she waited past 6 months then she could still leave but without the dowry. I guess it was thought that by the 6 month period she should know how bad he stunk and whether or not she could put up with it.

Your son has an online relationship with another woman
that he plays video games with? Someone he's never met in reality?

I can't really blame a woman that wants a man that's a good provider and protector.

But it does sound like this pharmacist gal has some problems. What was her home life like? Did she grow up with her real father in the house?

Always 3 sides to the story.

Wait what???
That would be like my wife wanting her sister to live with us…that’s a giant NO!!

And how many married men on here would tolerate their wives spending time chatting it up with another man you don’t even know? I don't care if they’ve met or not. An affair doesn’t have to be physical.

I don’t see too much wrong with her if I’m being honest. Good luck to your son finding someone that’ll live with his demands.

She agreed that she wanted his sister to continue living with them, which my daughter wasn't going to do anyway, as for the lesbian gamer, hey these nerds are strange I admit it, and he has so few demands it's comical, he was willing for her to spend extended overnight times with her mom that lived 20 minutes away...cause the mom would be lonely, and agreed to anything she wanted on the wedding, etc. ..Remember, he saved all her nutty texts admitting what a horrible person she is and purposely doing and saying things that was untrue and manipulating him...
I know it sounds nuts, I couldn't believe it either, but I guess you had to be there .... Yeah I defend him cause I know him, and his personality , trust me if he was the one undermining the relationship I'd have thrown him under the bus myself, lol

This

I have been married twice and Both have been great women. I cannot stand a Liar and will not tolerate that as well as Racism. My wife now has been a great woman. No regrets and we have built a great life together.

So sounds like he did her a BIG FAVOR!!
So he is an online gamer ? Gaming with “lesbian” gamer. Your worried about her getting half of HIS STUFF !! Lol lol I’d bet the girl could by him twice over unless you gave him what he has.
You guys kill me taking the sons side. If he has time to “game” then doubt he’s a prize !!
Since you think she’s nuts and is a pharmacist what does the perfect son do that he has so much he needs to save his “stuff”

Hello? What does he do that had him do wealthy that she is going to clean him out ?

Jbyrd 63. I don't think much of gammer's seems like a wast of time to me. BUT I feel the exact same about watching sports.

So if he was wasting his time watching your teams instead of playing video games where he is actually doing something vs watching others do things would you still be so negative?

A lot of people make money gaming and programming games.

Just because they are not my things doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. I'm sure many would feel the same about the time I spend on trapper talk.

I’m with jbyrd here. Way too many red flags here to take a side.

Chicks, can't live with them, can't live without them.

Providence I very seldom watch an entire game. Plus if I do it has been DVR record so I can fast forward thru commercials. Thus cutting 1/3 of the time off. Additionally they are watched after most task are done and while eating or after dark. Even the much anticipated Iowa LSU game I didn’t watch the first half since I had yard work and some ground to disc up.
If he is like most gamers they spend HOURS at a time involved in a make believe realm seeking a make believe outcome. I will go to my grave with the belief that most mass shooters have been primed and or trained by video games .....

Lot of people make money selling drugs also. Don’t think I’d say that makes it right because they get paid doing it

I think they sound perfect for each other as they both sound a bit nuts, lol.

I would have a hard time considering a relationship with someone over 20 that plays video games for more than a couple hours on a weekend maybe. Definite sign of immaturity if it's something they waste a lot of time on.

Even considering living in the same house with a wife/girlfriend and sister would be a hard no if I was the either the girlfriend or the sister.

If anyone offered to pick my friends for me I'd laugh in their face. Same with someone telling me I can't be friends with someone of the opposite sex.

Not liking dogs... definite deal breaker.

Good point to always keep in mind;
her side, his side, and the truth.

Truthfully though, I'm tending to lean rather heavily on his side in this case.

Gcs p.m. to you.

It is nice to have them "Visit" once in a while though.

I agree with you here . . so many guys are so fanatical about their sports fail to realize that the majority of professional athletes detest our lifestyle and would get rid of it in a heartbeat if they had the power

O I understand your point and agree on how most gammer's are. Playing games becomes more important than living life. Ie the wife, kids , work, ECT seen it many times. But that's not all of them and I have see the same obsession from sports people. The only thing saving the sports people is the game pre game and post game end. But a gammer can game 24/7.

As far as selling drugs being wrong. Well I'm conflicted on that. It's only wrong because the government says so. There is a market so supplying people with what they want is that wrong. Yes it can be bad for society but so can gambling, drinking, porn, gaming, sports. About anything that can take over someones life can have similar effects. You can't regulate morality.

I'm curious where you came up with this tidbit of information?

The fact that he knows she’s a lesbian means sex has been talked about.

Marriage is between 2 people. No kin folks, no other friends. You and your spouse.

As far as gaming and sports, to each his own…until it takes time away from your spouse. Honey I can’t or don’t want to because of either is unacceptable. Same with hunting and trapping. If it takes away time from each other then you’ll have an issue.

Luckily mine knew my addiction to the outdoors and even participates in certain activities with me. I knew about her cruiseaholic issues too and have no problem with it. People have always said we’d never last with my trips and her cruises, yet here we are at 28yrs this July. And all those folks that doubted us are all divorced.

They both sound like they need to mature a little before taking the plunge.

The more of this story that comes out...the more I'm starting to NOT see anything wrong that the pharmacist girlfriend has done. Why is she supposed to accept all of what the boyfriend wants? She appears to have tried to salvage the relationship.

I think the boyfriend will remain a single man playing his video games and this pharmacist will find her another man and be happy.

There is only one way for a marriage to succeed, in my amateur half century experience:

• Both need to change their pronouns from "I and Me" to "We and Us"

It appears that in spite of her insecurities, "Pharma Faye" has attempted that.

"gcs jr", may not be able to accomplish that until he frees himself from cyber and Daddy influence.

I feel like everyone who was following this thread shook their heads a bit when it was noted the son spent a lot of time playing online video games with a lesbian.

Somebody dodged a bullet, maybe two somebody's.

SO glad I never got married. I've seen and heard so many horror stories and 99.9% of the time the male gets the shaft.

If she lies, nothing else matters. It's not like she's going to stop lying after the wedding. It's not her preferences that are the issue, it's that she wasn't honest about them.

I'm going to go ahead and trust gps knows his kid better than the rest of you trapperman relationship experts.

It's all about finding the right woman and being the right man. It's work and takes understand from both. It's not always easy and takes commitment and dedication. It's not easy to find a woman or man willing to do what it takes today. The majority of divorce is started by women. Society has made it to easy for them to decide they are not happy and deserve to be happy. To many safety nets to prop them up and the man gets screwed.

With todays modern independent woman it's very easy for any man to get a quick hook up, and a good majority are not husband material to begin with.

I am very great full I'm not single.

You could be wrong about this. Sounds like she lied to save his precious gamer feelings!! Both my parents referred to them as a little white lie. Used in keeping from hurting someones feelings.
The fact this was even posted on here tells volumns about the parties involved. To me it would have been the ladies undoing if the sin had been cheating, lying about finances, ect. But to tell someone the sister in law has to go !!!
Plus if he is knee deep in the gaming world !! To use OP term gamer Nerds are weird!!! I can see why the girl didn't want to be around his friends. Funny how we haven't heard his occupation. If she is like MOST pharmacist she is pulling 12 hr shifts and propbly 5-7 days per week. Reason she don't like gaming is SHE IS TOO BUSY WORKING !!!!!!!

And I am very grateful I am single. SO MUCH less aggravation and frustration. Peace and quiet as well. I learn from other people's mistakes.

There’s a reason God forbid fornication. For several reasons. One was for our own protection. Read Proverbs chapter 5 and pay attention to the rotting in your bones part. Google the CDC on sexually transmitted diseases. It’s at a scary epidemic. 110 million Americans have a STD every day. Eliminate young kids, monogamous married, to old and other abstinence people and do the math.almost Every sexually active person outside marriage gets one or more. It’s killing millions with throat and cervical cancer. There are 4 that are incurable. Millions of young women will never have kids because undetectable STD scared their tubes. And on and on It’s a disaster but Hollywood glamorizes sex and sin. God didn’t forbid premarital sex because he was a kill joy. He did it because on multiple levels it’s destructive.

He put it on Tman for consideration.....so...

I would think that he knows his own kid more than gps or anyone on trapperman.

Ok, I'll play along a little longer, I didn't start this to complain, I'm all good, the situation has been resolved , I was just cautioning folks that there is a lot of crazy out there.

The boy is a high level engineer in a big company, he makes very good money, owns a home and is a solid citizen, but like most engineers he is somewhat nerdy, and march to a different drum than most of us. Yes he likes gaming, online, and in a small group of friends, He doesn't meet with the on liners and the girl gamer is just one of that group, they don't chat or socialize, they play maybe 1 times a month so it's not like all his time is occupied by that....Half his stuff is what happens when you get a divorce, like has been mentioned , on here, many times, you want to try and not let that happen. The sister living with him was his idea to help her out, they both moved to Texas and they are a support team for each other. She had no intention of staying after he got married.
However...the girlfriend in all their dealings told the boy everything she THOUGHT he wanted to hear, even though it turned out that none of it was real and that she admitted to lying about it, He always went along with whatever she wanted including vacations , eating out or whatever she wanted to do. Being a nerdy engineer he was happy that she loved him and he would do anything for her, he truly thought they were simpatico and "the one" Everyone thought she was genuine and they were happy for his happiness.
Then the poop hit the fan and the charade stopped, she admitted lying, admitted she hated all his friends, tried to distance him from family and was manipulating him.... this is all on record. She then went on rants of rage, and then begging, making absurd promises, and back to rage. It was like a bipolar meltdown. Turns out there was some disturbing signs previously that he ignored, she said she needed some counseling and he offered to go with her and that he only wanted her to be well, and happy. Apparently she has behaved this way before they met and this came out after the break up.

The lying and manipulation was the final straw, he was devastated but did what he felt was best. It had nothing to do with "Daddy influence" He's a grown man and makes his own decisions, hard as they might be. Like I said, you had to be there, and not let personal biases color your ideas of what you think happened.

I and my family hopes she gets the help she needs, I feel sorry for her.

So I'm done with this thread, I explained it as honestly as I can, If I thought the boy was using, or mean to her, or being a jerk I'd have told him he was wrong, using my "daddy Influence" .

Glad to keep everyone sidetracked and entertained, we should do this again!