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be nice if you could actually read the story, you get headline and the it wants you email to continue
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The brother of the Little Rock airport executive shot by federal agents serving a search warrant said he fears his brother may not survive.
Bryan Malinowski, 53, was injured in a shootout Tuesday with agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives at his west Little Rock home.
His older brother, Matthew Malinowski, told NBC News that the family was not sure if the Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport executive director was “going to make it in the next 24 hours” while confirming his brother was shot in the head during the exchange of gunfire.
ATF officials said agents were serving a search warrant at Bryan Malinowski's home just after 6 a.m. The agents said he fired at them from inside the home, at which point they returned fire. One ATF agent suffered a non-life-threatening injury and was hospitalized.
Matthew Malinowski questioned why agents came to his brother’s home so early instead of approaching him at work. He contends the agents “broke down his door” leaving his brother no choice but to “defend himself.”
“There’s something fishy here. The ATF went after him in the worst possible way,” he said. “There’s no reason why they couldn’t have arrested him at work at the airport.”
Malinowski also said it seemed odd that his brother could be entangled with the law, noting that he was well connected in Arkansas, had an annual salary of more than $250,000, lived in a nice suburb and had collections of guns and coins.
“When someone makes that much money, there’s no incentive to do anything wrong,” the brother said. “He has so much to lose.”
Meanwhile, Matthew Malinowski said doctors are keeping his brother on life support and not performing surgery because they don’t think he would survive.
“We don’t know how much longer he has to live,” he said.
With the family still wondering what sparked the shooting and federal investigators still not releasing any details, Matthew Malinowski feels the case against his brother doesn’t add up.
“Something stinks to high (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman),” he said.
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The guy was a gun collector. I can't get the links to work, but there is plenty out there to see.
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be nice if you could actually read the story, you get headline and the it wants you email to continue I use an ad blocker and FoxNews always ask me to disable it or they won't let me read the article. I just use DuckDuckGo to find the story elsewhere.
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probably didnt know it was atf breaking down his door
whatever happened you can at least believe if it was shady there will be a cover-up
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the ATF doesn't think much of their own agent safety if they have a guy who works at an air port every day they could have sent 2 agents to his work and the evidence crew to the house.
real thinkers think about how they can reduce risk
a traffic stop staged with the local police , have him pulled over a few blocks away from his house on the way to work
basically anything is a better option than a No-knock
It will be very interesting to see what they were after that was so important that it is going to cost him his life and risked agent lives.
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the ATF doesn't think much of their own agent safety if they have a guy who works at an air port every day they could have sent 2 agents to his work and the evidence crew to the house.
real thinkers think about how they can reduce risk
a traffic stop staged with the local police , have him pulled over a few blocks away from his house on the way to work
basically anything is a better option than a No-knock
It will be very interesting to see what they were after that was so important that it is going to cost him his life and risked agent lives. What you mean like how they could have easily picked up David Koresh at any time on his daily trip to town or morning run but instead went about it like that did. Na it's all about intimidation factor don't question just obey slaves. It's a bonus if they get to burn the place down and kill a dog or to and some innocent women and kids.
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I bet they were flying a drone around his house the day before.
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I bet they were flying a drone around his house the day before. I'm sure your correct on both counts,. (What there was only one point in that statement.) Correct but you also reminded me of subjects of the crown not questioning authority and obey without question. War is peace, slavery is freedom kind of thing. Guess he should have shot the drone down. At least then they would have arrested him directly not with a no knock raid.
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Having watched a law enforcement assault team attack a private dwelling in person, they need to be restricted to no other choice but go in to get a dangerous person. I think its just an excuse to play with their toys most of the time.
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This is exactly what these butt clowns are doing. They have no reasons for doing what they are doing in nearly all cases. Have an actual terrorist or killer, go get him. But a working man who may or may not be guilty, grab him on the way home or to work. Pathetic over payed mall security cops is how I feel towards many of the alphabet agents. With that, I’m probably next…. Lol
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ATF should have to more than notify local LE when operating there , they should have to have with them at all times a Local Representative assigned to the task by the Sherriff to prevent un-necessary loss of life of the Sherriff's constitutes.
and the ATF needs to pay that persons overtime
if it is a real bomb maker or terrorist ect it won't harm a thing and for all the ATF blunders it could save them some real messes.
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the ATF doesn't think much of their own agent safety if they have a guy who works at an air port every day they could have sent 2 agents to his work and the evidence crew to the house.
real thinkers think about how they can reduce risk
a traffic stop staged with the local police , have him pulled over a few blocks away from his house on the way to work
basically anything is a better option than a No-knock
It will be very interesting to see what they were after that was so important that it is going to cost him his life and risked agent lives. It’s all about intimidating the general population, they don’t care about people’s lives. How many innocent people have died since no knock raids have come into being. They should be illegal and any judge that authorizes one should be disbarred. There is no penalty for the agency that conducts the raid if and when the party is innocent. Qualified Immunity leads to this kind of actions. Originally the justification for no knock raids were to keep people from flushing drugs down the toilet so the police didn’t lose evidence.
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a congressional hearing should be drilling the ATF on what exactly constitutes a gun crime that you can undo the evidence of in 20 seconds
A known drug house where you have tracked multiple sales too , I can see a judge singing off on that
but an airport executive you could pick up basically any time from his office , what judge signs off on that ?
either the people running US air ports need a LOT more vetting or the ATF is way out of line.
you trust a guy to run a US airport that handles thousands of peoples safety every day , but you feel the need to no knock his residence at zero dark thirty. that just doesn't make any sense.
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They should just dress up as jehovas and ask nicely,lol. Even they don't go out before 9:00 a.m.!!!
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The guy died of the head wound inflicted by the ATF. The search warrant affidavit has been unsealed. Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop?
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The guy died of the head wound inflicted by the ATF. The search warrant affidavit has been unsealed. Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop? Probably didnt want the nut bar to be able to take hostages or put the public in danger in a hail of gunfire on the streets. Those guys are professionals and know how to do their job the best way to protect the public.
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The guy died of the head wound inflicted by the ATF. The search warrant affidavit has been unsealed. Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop? Probably didnt want the nut bar to be able to take hostages or put the public in danger in a hail of gunfire on the streets. Those guys are professionals and know how to do their job the best way to protect the public. That's funny.
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The guy died of the head wound inflicted by the ATF. The search warrant affidavit has been unsealed. Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop? Probably didnt want the nut bar to be able to take hostages or put the public in danger in a hail of gunfire on the streets. Those guys are professionals and know how to do their job the best way to protect the public. you are aware that the US ATF is has a awful track record with a lot of bodies on their hands. every once in a while they get the FBI to try and help them with the poop show they started and then even more people die. Waco , Ruby ridge , Fast and ferios 1 and 2 , not to mention their own weapons destruction depot was the source of a large but unknown number of agency and captured guns going on the street. . so they say he was straw purchasing guns or dealing , for who , for what , or was he a guy who was on gun broker too much. a very very very weak reason to no knock a guy who goes to an office every day in an air port.
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The guy died of the head wound inflicted by the ATF. The search warrant affidavit has been unsealed. Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop? Probably didnt want the nut bar to be able to take hostages or put the public in danger in a hail of gunfire on the streets. Those guys are professionals and know how to do their job the best way to protect the public. Same ole, same ole....This guy has been baiting forever.
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Apparently, the guy was suspected of buying firearms and reselling them without an FFL.
That doesn’t seem like a good reason mount a no-knock assault on a person’s home. Why couldn’t they just pick him up at work or pull him over for a traffic stop? Our Gov't doesn't like free citizens, and especially doesn't like gun ownership. Its the nature of gov't to want to disarmed citizens.
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how many of you are aware the ATF went after Larry Vickers national treasure , Deltaforce and the guy who trained half the swat trainers for Illegal Machine Guns importation why , because before he got cancer he imorted some Machine guns on a license to use them for police and military training demos he failed to use them as such as they were locked away completely unused while he was undergoing treatment. because he had not summitted the paperwork that he had given any demos or trainings to LE with them. they charged him with it. this had ZERO public safety implication , this was a bullseye on a well know name that everyone needs to fall in line on every admirative hoop or be punished it is a complete waste of our tax dollars and a disgrace that any US agency would waste time on this while they could be doing real work that impacted public safety. https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/...-and-federal-firearms-licensees-indicted
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I just have a problem with a head shot homeowner and one atf agent with a non life threatening injury. If you've ever been in a close quarters firefight you would see the strange outcome. How about they didn't no knock they quiet knocked then took the door down. One of the brain surgeons has an accidental discharge and shoots himself or one of the other brain surgeon and the point man not under fire pops the guy in the head. Sounds a lot like Waco to me. We will never see the camera footage and we will never learn where the brain surgeon was wounded. we will never know if the guy was guilty or not but if he was he invited trouble but not execution by those folks.
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You people that think child diddlers like Koresh and other criminals are good guys are sickos.
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t is a complete waste of our tax dollars and a disgrace that any US agency would waste time on this while they could be doing real work that impacted public safety or they could be in prison, old fashioned hard labor. making gravel with a sledgehammer. produce five tons a day or no bowl of rice and beans
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That's the first time that I have ever heard the ATF called professional. There's nothing professional about the ATF.
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Something smells about the ATF statements. Released Searh Warrant Affidavit Shows DetailsLITTLE ROCK, Ark. – The affidavit detailing the ATF case against the Little Rock airport executive who was shot and killed by federal agents serving a search warrant at his home was released Thursday. In the heavily redacted warrant affidavit, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives claims that Bryan Malinowski purchased numerous firearms that he resold without a firearm dealer’s license. According to the warrant, Malinowski purchased more than 150 guns between May 2021 and Feb. 27, 2024, which he then resold. The ATF claims in the affidavit that around six of the guns Malinowski sold were found after being connected to a crime. Undercover federal agents purchased another three from Malinowski at central Arkansas gun shows, the affidavit stated. According to the affidavit, Malinowski would purchase guns through legal means, checking off a box on the purchase form that he was buying the gun for himself. He would then resell the just-purchased guns in as little as 24 hours through gun shows where he maintained a table or through private sales. In one case, he was reported to have told an undercover buyer that all purchases were cash only. All the guns purchased by Malinowski were pistols, including 24 Model 45s by Glock and AR-style pistols, the affidavit stated. Before the Tuesday search warrant, the affidavit stated that ATF agents had planted a tracking device on Malinowski’s SUV. At times, he would drive erratically while agents were trailing him, the affidavit said. The affidavit listed several cell phones and electronic devices agents believed would have proof of transactions. It also listed bank records and any other records, including photos and “firearms, firearm parts and accessories, ammunition.” The search was to be conducted between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. on March 20, and the officer was expected to give Malinowski an inventory of everything seized, according to the search warrant. Malinowski was shot and killed during an exchange of gunfire with ATF agents Tuesday morning as they attempted to serve the search warrant. ATF officials said the agents were serving a search warrant at Malinowski’s west Little Rock home around 6 a.m. when the fatal shootout took place. Federal officials said that Malinowski shot first from inside the home, at which point agents returned fire, hitting Malinowski multiple times. Agents with the Arkansas State Police have been investigating the shooting. An ASP spokesperson said on Thursday that the agency’s investigation into this incident is ongoing.
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According to the warrant, Malinowski purchased more than 150 guns between May 2021 and Feb. 27, 2024, which he then resold. That's less than five guns a month. According to the affidavit, Malinowski would purchase guns through legal means Which means they were registered in his name because, according to the ATF, they were all pistols. All the guns purchased by Malinowski were pistols, including 24 Model 45s by Glock and AR-style pistols, the affidavit stated. What exactly is an Armalite Rifle style pistol? Before the Tuesday search warrant, the affidavit stated that ATF agents had planted a tracking device on Malinowski’s SUV. At times, he would drive erratically while agents were trailing him, the affidavit said. Ample opportunity to pull him over and detain him thereby avoiding the supposed need to mount a full-scale assault on his home in a quiet, residential neighborhood.
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That's the first time that I have ever heard the ATF called professional. Just a bunch of thugs.
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well which is the sadder failure
that either you had a criminal gun runner running an air port and the FAA and TSA should have known or the ATF failed in bringing a guy who they knew the constant location of, without blood shed
either the government failed or the government failed.
oh I left out if the guy was buying all those guns and NICs just kept passing him , why not just shut him down with a nics denial and tell him they needed to talk to him before he bought any more.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: Boco]
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03/23/24 04:44 PM
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You people that think child diddlers like Koresh and other criminals are good guys are sickos. You do know that those alleged diddled children were all killed because of the way the FBI and ATF handled the whole situation, don’t you ? Didn’t look too professional. Better to be alleged molested and alive, than burned alive and dead. They could have de-escalated the whole situation and picked up Koresh at the local diner a week or two later. Also, Randy Weaver and his family were not diddling anyone, just sitting under an apple tree with a hack saw , sawing off a shotgun barrel that a undercover agent set him for. I agree both Koresh and Weaver were stupid, but both situations were not handled by professionals, looked to me handled more like gung ho thugs.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 05:41 PM
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Koresh burnt the place down and culted them all to death like Jim Jones. Too bad the atf wasnt around to take out that creep.before he culted 900 inocent people to death.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: Squash]
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03/23/24 05:43 PM
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You people that think child diddlers like Koresh and other criminals are good guys are sickos. You do know that those alleged diddled children were all killed because of the way the FBI and ATF handled the whole situation, don’t you ? Didn’t look too professional. Better to be alleged molested and alive, than burned alive and dead. They could have de-escalated the whole situation and picked up Koresh at the local diner a week or two later. Also, Randy Weaver and his family were not diddling anyone, just sitting under an apple tree with a hack saw , sawing off a shotgun barrel that a undercover agent set him for. I agree both Koresh and Weaver were stupid, but both situations were not handled by professionals, looked to me handled more like gung ho thugs. You're wasting your time, Squash.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 05:48 PM
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danny clifton
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Boco I was watching it live when that tank set the building on fire. The video has been changed to show a delay. To date none of the people, including those that were children, members of the cult, have ever claimed that there were chomo,s in the group. I don't know what perverse pleasure you get from your off the wall comments but it gets old. They were attacked for arming their selves. No NFA fire arms were found either. The Clintons were rabidly working to dismantle American citizens right to be armed. An armed group of cultists had them worried. There is no way to justify what big brother did that day.
In fact my dad called me a few minutes later as he could not believe what he just saw.
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: Boco]
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03/23/24 05:48 PM
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Koresh burnt the place down and culted them all to death like Jim Jones. Too bad the atf wasnt around to take out that creep.before he culted 900 inocent people to death. Boco, you spend way way too much time worrying about what the Americans are doing. Why don't you go frost tan a coyote or something.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 05:54 PM
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danny clifton
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Think about this. What possible reason would there be to stick a canon barrel through the wall instead of using a different armored vehicle to knock down the wall or back into it with that tank. Government is out of control.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 05:58 PM
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You spend too much time worrying about me. I'm all caught up on the fur handling,and started into the tanning. Now you can calm down. And I dont worry about anything.I like it when LE cracks down on criminals and dont much care for those who worship the criminals
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 07:16 PM
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Sounds like BATF does not want another Ruby Ridge
The job of a Patriot is not to protect his country but to protect the people from the tryannical government
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: Boco]
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03/23/24 07:21 PM
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You spend too much time worrying about me. I'm all caught up on the fur handling,and started into the tanning. Now you can calm down. And I dont worry about anything.I like it when LE cracks down on criminals and dont much care for those who worship the criminals Wow!! What a perfect subject. When they catch you with your hidden illegal guns you didn't turn in in Canada I believe you will feel differently. But then it will be to late. Claim you don't have those sks stashed all you want but you have insinuated you did more times than I can remember.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 07:30 PM
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Boco
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I got a big pile of guns,all legal here for your information. SKS is a common hunting rifle in the north-it doesnt jam up at 40 below.Can throw it in the sleigh under a pile of traps and it will still perform flawlessly when needed. Now go check your hut for gubmint drones,lol.
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Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/23/24 09:13 PM
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They musta been skert he was going to flush those guns
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Re: ATF at it again
[Re: 8117 Steve R]
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03/24/24 08:39 AM
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danny clifton
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Maybe he needed killing? I doubt we ever know. An article I read said they THOUGHT he had computer and paper records. They were worried they would be destroyed. Sounds like cop speak to me. He was not doing straw purchases from gun dealers as I understand it but buying off individuals on armslist and at gun shows then reselling. He bought and sold enough to make the feds claim it was a business requiring an FFL. I wonder why somebody making 200,000 a year would put that much effort into a few extra thousand?
Anybody else wonder why the feds are not putting that kind of effort into destroying the American drug cartels? Surely its not a farce to keep the public from thinking about the multi billion dollar a year illegal drug trade? Focus on firearms and the public will support disarmament IMO.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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