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Can someone explain this? (Trump post) #8063416
01/29/24 12:29 PM
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A verdict has been reached by the jury in E. Jean Carroll’s civil defamation case against former President Donald Trump. The jury has ruled that the 45th president will pay $18.3 million in compensatory damages and an additional $65 million in punitive damages to Carroll for “defamatory public statements” he made about her in 2019.

The jury of seven men and two women came to the decision in less than three hours.

In May, a jury found the former president liable for battery in a civil trial brought forth by writer E. Jean Carroll. Carroll claimed that Trump had previously raped and assaulted her back in the 1990’s. She also claimed that Trump defamed her when she went public with the accusation in 2019.

The jury was tasked with determining whether or not the Republican presidential front-runner forcibly assaulted and defamed Carroll. They ultimately found Trump liable for defamation and battery.

However, they also found him innocent of the rape accusation.

Carroll was awarded $5 million in damages due to the alleged battery. Trump must pay this amount in addition to the $83.3 million.


Not meant to be a political post, but genuinely curious how one is found innocent of rape but guilty of defamation by the person who is accusing him of rape? I don't know of any other cases to cite.

Just curious, on the chance that someone accuses me of stealing a muskrat from their set, I'd hate to call them a name and it end up costing me my life savings.

ol' dad


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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063422
01/29/24 12:34 PM
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All of it sounds strange. If he did it why is he not in jail? Sounds like it's all about money...


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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063423
01/29/24 12:35 PM
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Remember the phrase rules for thee but not for me and the news will make more sense. Also- we are living in strange times. I quit the news 4 yrs ago this month and I don't miss it a bit.


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: Leftlane] #8063428
01/29/24 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Remember the phrase rules for thee but not for me and the news will make more sense. Also- we are living in strange times. I quit the news 4 yrs ago this month and I don't miss it a bit.

Yep

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063434
01/29/24 12:49 PM
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My question why isn't she guilty of defamation for a false rape charge?
I'm sure this will get knocked down or eliminated on appeal.

Look into her connections with others and see who they are. That'll convince you that this is a hit job to ruin Trump.

Gotta ask yourself why are there so many people who are trying everything they can do to get Trump off the ballot, and out of politics.

And yet after all this most polls have Trump beating biden. Alot of people are wise to whats going on and can see the blatant double standard.

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063436
01/29/24 12:50 PM
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Apparently there was no case in the (90)s or is the coverup gonna be the next big case


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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063443
01/29/24 12:58 PM
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Statue of limitations had already run out, so NY gave a year to file, then closed it again, obviously tailoring the tempororary law change to her case.
If that isn't targeted lawfare, what is?
I'm sure our resident lawyers will tell us!

She couldn't say what month, or even what year exactly, the alleged incident took.place.
Claims she saved the dress she was wearing at the time, but that dress wasnt manufactured until years later.

"In 2019, Carroll came forward with a rape claim against Trump in her then forthcoming book, What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, an excerpt of which ran that June in New York magazine. Trump responded to Carroll’s claim – that he sexually assaulted her in a high-end department store dressing room around early 1996 – by saying she was a dishonest political operative.

Carroll sued him for defamation, as the statute of limitations barred her from suing over the assault. When a New York law in 2022 granted accusers a one-year window to sue their abusers for incidents outside the civil statute of limitations, Carroll commenced another civil action – this time for the assault and his defamatory statements about her post-presidency."

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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063467
01/29/24 01:32 PM
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Is this unique and a one of / one time deal cooked up just to get Trump? You get to take em to civil kangaroo court and never have to prove anything?

If not, and you can do this anywheere, I'd think James Carvelle would be on the hook to Paula Jones. Something about dragging $100 bill thru a trailer court? And for that matter, Slick Willie to all the women like Jones that he abused whilst guvnor and POTUS.

But more than likely, this is just one more attempt to bludgeon Trump in kangaroo court of public opinion (the dolts eat it up with a spoon) and an attempt to bankrupt him from legal fees alone.

Prosecutorial misconduct has to be lurking in the weeds.

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063472
01/29/24 01:36 PM
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He was guilty of saying he didn't do it . Said she was lying. THAT IS normal behavior. SO shouldn't monica Lewinsky sue bill Clinton. He said he didn't do her but he did......

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063474
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If you can’t jail him then plan B is to bankrupt him they will try to destroy him one way or another hook or crook.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: jbyrd63] #8063477
01/29/24 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
He was guilty of saying he didn't do it . Said she was lying. THAT IS normal behavior. SO shouldn't monica Lewinsky sue bill Clinton. He said he didn't do her but he did......



As if the facts matter LOL. Facts matter the least now Uncle of Savell!


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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063479
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James could likely explain it better but there is a different bar applied to a criminal case and a civil one.
One is beyond reasonable doubt the other is preponderance of evidence.
Just because one cannot prove something beyond reasonable doubt does not mean it did not happen.
Still guilty in the civil court by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.The bar is not as high in the civil court.

Same thing ocurred with OJ.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063485
01/29/24 01:46 PM
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Our legal system is moving from a means to justice to a weapon to destroy an enemy especially in liberal states and at higher Federal levels. A lot of people thinks it's OK because it represents their views when in actuality the court system should represent justice and the laws. When courts don't do this laws become meaningless. Especially for those in power.

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: Boco] #8063495
01/29/24 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
James could likely explain it better but there is a different bar applied to a criminal case and a civil one.
One is beyond reasonable doubt the other is preponderance of evidence.
Just because one cannot prove something beyond reasonable doubt does not mean it did not happen.
Still guilty in the civil court by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.The bar is not as high in the civil court.

Same thing ocurred with OJ.


So what if the person is truly innocent? Do they not have a right to deny the allegations without fear of punishment by a civil court? How is one supposed to clear their name?

ol dad


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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063499
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Dont ask me those are your laws.

Not sure you can be pardoned when you lose a civil suit.

Probably an appeal.

Last edited by Boco; 01/29/24 02:01 PM.

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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063508
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It's all about bankrupt Trump so he has no money to campaign.

Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063511
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Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063512
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She'll never get the money he will win his appeal.



Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063516
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
From OANN -
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A verdict has been reached by the jury in E. Jean Carroll’s civil defamation case against former President Donald Trump. The jury has ruled that the 45th president will pay $18.3 million in compensatory damages and an additional $65 million in punitive damages to Carroll for “defamatory public statements” he made about her in 2019.

The jury of seven men and two women came to the decision in less than three hours.

In May, a jury found the former president liable for battery in a civil trial brought forth by writer E. Jean Carroll. Carroll claimed that Trump had previously raped and assaulted her back in the 1990’s. She also claimed that Trump defamed her when she went public with the accusation in 2019.

The jury was tasked with determining whether or not the Republican presidential front-runner forcibly assaulted and defamed Carroll. They ultimately found Trump liable for defamation and battery.

However, they also found him innocent of the rape accusation.

Carroll was awarded $5 million in damages due to the alleged battery. Trump must pay this amount in addition to the $83.3 million.


Not meant to be a political post, but genuinely curious how one is found innocent of rape but guilty of defamation by the person who is accusing him of rape? I don't know of any other cases to cite.

Just curious, on the chance that someone accuses me of stealing a muskrat from their set, I'd hate to call them a name and it end up costing me my life savings.

ol' dad

One word "POLITICS" Trump's Lawyer was not allowed to bring up a finding that every juror was a registered Democrat. Imagine that in NYC. And why did she wait 2-1/2 decades to bring up this? They did the same exact thing to Kavanaugh. This seems to be the new political attack point of the Democrat Party.

Last edited by wy.wolfer; 01/29/24 02:20 PM.
Re: Can someone explain this? (Trump post) [Re: ol' dad] #8063517
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The liars case is being financially supported by Reid Hoffman, yes,. the same democrat billionaire supporting the globalist Haley to bring down Trump.

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