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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995111
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Law Dog the sweetener in diet drinks is worse than eating sugar.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Providence Farm] #7995115
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Law Dog the sweetener in diet drinks is worse than eating sugar.



1 diet Dr Pepper a day 2 if it’s real hot 2 cups of coffee a day the rest is water after that. Water is the best thing I’ve found to keep the plumbing working. Been told to drink more water for years and kind of blew that off now I wish I started sooner.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995118
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Diggerman -


Meals from- Turkey, venison, chicken, fish, fruits, vegetables, 2% cheese...Drink almond milk or water.

If you fudge go 80/20...Strict diet 80% of the time...Treat yourself and cheat 20% of the time to keep some sanity, Lol.


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Law Dog] #7995150
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Being a picky eater makes my choices even harder to enjoy eating. I’m solid on the no sugar intake zip nothing in 2 years. No fries at fast food just a double burger and diet drinks or coffee. I went to Stake and Shake when I was in MO no diet drink options that was surprising tea was about it.

Buddy takes his meds and eats like it was never an issue Little Debbie and him are close friends and his A1C is lower than mine. mad

lol

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7995175
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Diggerman -


Meals from- Turkey, venison, chicken, fish, fruits, vegetables, 2% cheese...Drink almond milk or water.

If you fudge go 80/20...Strict diet 80% of the time...Treat yourself and cheat 20% of the time to keep some sanity, Lol.


Carrageenan in almond milk is a Polysaccharidsle and it helps store sugars in your body. Helps with getting cancer and diabetes. Basically it's not good for you.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Law Dog] #7995183
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Being a picky eater makes my choices even harder to enjoy eating. I’m solid on the no sugar intake zip nothing in 2 years. No fries at fast food just a double burger and diet drinks or coffee. I went to Stake and Shake when I was in MO no diet drink options that was surprising tea was about it.

Buddy takes his meds and eats like it was never an issue Little Debbie and him are close friends and his A1C is lower than mine. mad

You need to make sure the diet drinks have no Aspartame in it. I've read numerous articles on it that say Aspartame has many harmful effects including heart disorders and cancer.


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995199
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I eat right and still need meds. If I didn’t eat right would probably need more meds.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: YamaCat] #7995225
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I’ve been eating healthy for over a year now. It was hard at first but eventually gets easier and pretty dang tasty. I still have the “frequent urination “ deal going though.[/quote]
Try a couple Ibuprofins, they act as a diuretic I think, anyways helps with the frequent urinations.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Diggerman] #7995615
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Originally Posted by Diggerman


I’ve been eating healthy for over a year now. It was hard at first but eventually gets easier and pretty dang tasty. I still have the “frequent urination “ deal going though.

Try a couple Ibuprofins, they act as a diuretic I think, anyways helps with the frequent urinations.[/quote]

Try cut out dairy and see if that works with the swollen prostate and frequent urination.

Also, alot of so called "Heart Healthy" labeling is a farce. Whole grains are NOT good for you in any way. Neither is oatmeal, fruit and fruit juice, its very high carb. You wont get healthy eating them.

What you eventually realize is that you have to prepare your meals from single ingredient foods. When you walk into a supermarket there is only a couple isles of food you can eat. Produce and meat, fish and eggs, poultry.

Of course (unless you are Type 1 diabetic) go ahead and have a cheat day once a week, so you can still enjoy life and eating and be healthy. Its easy once you get the hang of it

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995700
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You guys seem to have success with the low carb diet. I'd be worried about the long term effects. There are places on earth where people live long lives, many 100 year olds. They all eat lots of carbs, whole grains, beans etc.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995704
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if i eat grain my blood sugar skyrockets. i would like to die with my feet still attached.


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: mskrtman] #7995708
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Originally Posted by mskrtman
You guys seem to have success with the low carb diet. I'd be worried about the long term effects. There are places on earth where people live long lives, many 100 year olds. They all eat lots of carbs, whole grains, beans etc.

longest lives were traditionally in Okinawa and S.e. Asia....no real grains until recent yrs with the exception of rice. The rice consumption is offset there by the lack of other carbs and alot of exercise in daily life. As the increase in western foods became common,...longevity has dropped.

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Providence Farm] #7995859
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Diggerman -


Meals from- Turkey, venison, chicken, fish, fruits, vegetables, 2% cheese...Drink almond milk or water.

If you fudge go 80/20...Strict diet 80% of the time...Treat yourself and cheat 20% of the time to keep some sanity, Lol.


Carrageenan in almond milk is a Polysaccharidsle and it helps store sugars in your body. Helps with getting cancer and diabetes. Basically it's not good for you.

Didn't know that about Almond milk...Thanks for the info!


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995894
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What’s this A1C business. Can you check it at home?

Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7995903
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Not sure about a home test it’s a blood draw at the Dr. Office that goes through the lab to get results. If I have it right the results cover your last 3 months to get the A1C number.


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At my yearly checkup in February my A1C was 9.1. Diabetic.

I got on the web and researched how to reverse it. Found out my diet with lots of potatoes, rice, pasta, bread, sweets (simple carbs) was the reason. That and diet sodas. When those hit your stomach your body pumps out insulin. Your cells are overwhelmed with the cumulative effect of insulin overloading and you become insulin resistant - diabetic. And the diet drinks are the worst because your gut tastes the sweet and pumps out insulin with no real glucose to process = accelerated insulin overloading and insulin resistance.

My doc put me on metformin. I stopped the diet drinks and virtually all simple carbs. I eat eggs, fish, chicken, game meats, fresh vegetables and fruits. Always make sure you mix protein with the complex carbs - fruits and vegetables (to dampen the blood sugar spikes). Like a sliced apple with peanut butter (non sugar) for lunch. Have a few nuts or cheese or jerky to add protien when you eat complex carb food. Chia seeds (3 T / pint) soaked in coconut almond milk (lactose intolerant) with a handful of blueberries mixid in is my on the road or fishing lunch. Two or three spoonfuls of coconut oil a day for cooking is healthy. Cinnamon , chromium picholinate capsule with every meal. And exercise.

Three months of that with the metformin my A1C was 5.8 - normal. I had lost twenty pounds, arthuritus was less and I had to cut my blood pressure meds way down. I told my doc I wanted to try it without metformin. He din't like it, but said try it and see me in three months. After three months my A1C was 6.1. The doc said just keep doing what your doin.

I admit to occasional cheating with a bit of dessert at a family gathering or whatnot once in a while. I use sugar free maple syrup on my oatmeal (with nuts). I use monkfruit / erithritol sweeters in recepes for treats. Nothing with ASPARTAME. But I feel much more healthy and can and will keep doing it for the long haul.

The american diet with all the simple carbs at the bottom of the food pyramid has caused our obesity and diabetes epidemic. But we can reverse it.


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: danny clifton] #7995932
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
no grain no potato's no sugar. its not hard. its either that or you start taking pills and shots


But those are my 3 favorite food groups, lol.


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #7995982
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
At my yearly checkup in February my A1C was 9.1. Diabetic.

I got on the web and researched how to reverse it. Found out my diet with lots of potatoes, rice, pasta, bread, sweets (simple carbs) was the reason. That and diet sodas. When those hit your stomach your body pumps out insulin. Your cells are overwhelmed with the cumulative effect of insulin overloading and you become insulin resistant - diabetic. And the diet drinks are the worst because your gut tastes the sweet and pumps out insulin with no real glucose to process = accelerated insulin overloading and insulin resistance.

My doc put me on metformin. I stopped the diet drinks and virtually all simple carbs. I eat eggs, fish, chicken, game meats, fresh vegetables and fruits. Always make sure you mix protein with the complex carbs - fruits and vegetables (to dampen the blood sugar spikes). Like a sliced apple with peanut butter (non sugar) for lunch. Have a few nuts or cheese or jerky to add protien when you eat complex carb food. Chia seeds (3 T / pint) soaked in coconut almond milk (lactose intolerant) with a handful of blueberries mixid in is my on the road or fishing lunch. Two or three spoonfuls of coconut oil a day for cooking is healthy. Cinnamon , chromium picholinate capsule with every meal. And exercise.

Three months of that with the metformin my A1C was 5.8 - normal. I had lost twenty pounds, arthuritus was less and I had to cut my blood pressure meds way down. I told my doc I wanted to try it without metformin. He din't like it, but said try it and see me in three months. After three months my A1C was 6.1. The doc said just keep doing what your doin.

I admit to occasional cheating with a bit of dessert at a family gathering or whatnot once in a while. I use sugar free maple syrup on my oatmeal (with nuts). I use monkfruit / erithritol sweeters in recepes for treats. Nothing with ASPARTAME. But I feel much more healthy and can and will keep doing it for the long haul.

The american diet with all the simple carbs at the bottom of the food pyramid has caused our obesity and diabetes epidemic. But we can reverse it.


You might want to rethink your use of Erythritol. According to a study, Mayo Clinic says regular use of this as a sugar substitute has been know to cause cardiac problems and even stroke. A better substitute would be Stevia, a natural sweetener.


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Mando] #7996054
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Liquid Stevia is the best the crystal like sugar looking Stevia has added Erythritol to get to that sugar like consistency to it. Lots of sugars out there with different names that spike your levels.


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Re: Eat clean and get off meds [Re: Trapset] #7996084
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Originally Posted by Trapset
What’s this A1C business. Can you check it at home?

Yes if u keep your stats for 3 months

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