You’re gonna wish you had M855 if you ever have to go up against any type of armor.

Your expanding stuff will be ineffective, at least in 5.56.

Even level 2 armor would be a tough customer for any type of expanding 5.56 projectile.

The 62 grain “green tip” is a more balanced bullet than any hollow point or modern polymer tipped projectile so I don’t know how it being “nose light” would contribute to anything. The reason FMJs have a reputation of “tumbling” or turning m, etc etc, is because they get a chance too. Your soft points, hollow points, polymer points etc would all do this as well, if they ever stayed together to do so. But they’re designed to expand, mushroom, or break apart. So they never get an opportunity to exhibit any of that behavior.

Yep, M855 will canoe heads, perforate chests, and fragment bone...Do not underestimate that round.

I always figured it was that a wounded individual requires more personnel then the dead.

left over WWI thinking and western world thinking

when radicalized there is no victory in a slow death in a hospital or of old age once patched up and crippled for life, you must die in battle to earn a warriors place in paradise and if they can take a few more out before they expire all the better possibly some higher station.

it is what lead us to go from 38LC to 45acp in the first place and to lesser extent 38spl fighting radicalized people in the Philippines during the Spanish American war.

then in 2003 some marine units got authorized to go back to 45acp thinking it would be better in Middle east fighting insurgents in Iraq and Taliban in Afghanistan. they ended up deciding it didn't do enough more than 9mm nato that it was a benefit to give up half the capacity.

Many FMJ military bullets are designed with the center of gravity off center.
This allows them to start tumbling at 300 meters.
Roy Vietnam 70-71, 11B4P

I suspect the fmj vs expanding bullet theories get cross threaded on what we have been taught about hunting bullets. For that we want expansion and DRT vs penciling a deer to wander off somewhere to die. But deer don't wear body armor.

On 9mm, recently started loading for 9mm and using some jhp bullets ,wanted to test for expansion. Looking around for a victim, had a large 1'd x 2'w x 3' tall bundle of damp, compressed peat moss. Very firm. First shot thru the 1' part went thru. Second shot thru the 2' wide side also went thru, as did the 3rd shot thru the 3' section. All the way thru and out the back. And that was a jhp. Conclusion........9mm is no joke. You don't want to get plugged by one.

Now for the public service announcement, for those reloading, a very good source for your bullets.........223 and 9mm. The 124 gr jhp (nukes) in 9mm are extremely popular these days.

https://www.rmrbullets.com/

My guess is that ppl panic buying 223 ammo don't even know what they're buying as long as it goes bang. And nobody wants to get hit by a bullet of any design.

The "Hague Declaration , part of the Geneva Convention banned the use of expanding bullets for use in warfare.

Does anyone follow rules in warfare? Our fed gubmint don't even follow their own rules.

Them 9mm will blow yer lungs right out of yer body don't ya know...... Thats why I carry a 357 Sig or 10mm .

Those M855 work well on hogs. The tumbling bullets work great in my experience. Blood trails aren’t the best but a good bullet with decent shot placement drops them within 30yds if not drt.

Have looked at a 357 Sig, and since it uses same bullets as 9mm, can't see that much difference between 357 Sig and a 9mm loaded to +P. Other than an additional 100 to 150 fps, and one costing about $1.50 per pop and the other about 20 cents, what am I missing?

Made in KS https://fortscottmunitions.com/coll...ducts/224-062-scp1-rifle-projectile-bulk

Barnes TSX bullets Nosler partitions and accubond all reliably expand and hold weight.

FMJ's can be pulled and replaced with a "Work" round, You see guy's selling the FMJ's all the time.

Anybody have a source for the green tip 62 grain projectiles for reloading?

Thank you sir!

Another source

https://www.topbrass-inc.com/collections/bullets

Now if looking to get massive tissue damage and major hemmoraging get the frangible bullets in areas not protected by armor

The "green tip" M855 & M856 ball and tracer rounds are a thing of the past for the military. Some units still might be using it for training/proficiency fire. However, the new 5.56mm round is the M855A1/M856A1 and has been for a couple years now.