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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913244
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Legalizing drugs is just placing stumbling blocks in front of people. In the name of "freedom" I'm going to legitimize yet another vise that will destroy many good people. No matter if I believe pot to be no more harmful than alcohol, I cannot support legitimizing a substance that may lead to a persons destruction. My faith won't allow it.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913245
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm

When the government can tell you what you can and can not put in your own body that's not freedom. You can't protect people and freedom means the freedom to make bad choices and fail. The catch is there should be no safety net.


I agree, a home owner shouldn’t have to spend thousands of dollars getting rid of lead paint just so they can sell a house.


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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: ] #7913310
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Legalizing drugs is just placing stumbling blocks in front of people. In the name of "freedom" I'm going to legitimize yet another vise that will destroy many good people. No matter if I believe pot to be no more harmful than alcohol, I cannot support legitimizing a substance that may lead to a persons destruction. My faith won't allow it.



So you think the war on drugs has been successful? Well it has depending on your prospective and goals. If your goals are to increase government power police budgets, militarization of the police, government sponsored theft with assets forfeiture, filling prisons with nonviolent offenders and adding hundreds of thousands to the 2nd class citizen list of felon it's been very successful.

If you think it has reduced or is reducing drug use you obviously have not been paying attention to the acceleration of drug use the last few decades despite all the additional deterrents and war on drugs. How about not passing out narcan like tick tacks and alow the consequences and nature to take its course? I think that bleeding heart aproch enables drug use more than legalizing drugs by lowering the risk and promoting risky behavior. Like giving out new needles to the dopers so they don't share needles. It's for their healt after all.

I think this is a prime example of the generation gap and those raised with after school special like reefer madness.

The war on drugs is a war on you. The government runs and promotes the drug uses and running. Have any doubts. Afghanistan produces 90% of the world's opioid we control that country for more than a decade but the drugs never slowed down. Our boarder is wide open and drugs flow freely they don't want it stoped. It's to big a money maker on several ends. From running the drugs, to money for the prisons, massive law inforcement funding, the hospitals and drug companies and arms and armorments, courts lawyers. To much money and hands in the pot.

Once you realize everything we have been told our entire life's is a lie the clearer things become.

J straton. God gave people free will, isn't it arrogant to assume you know what's best for people better than God? If he didn't want us to have the choice he would not have given us the choise.

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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913334
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So you think God is the father of destruction? Drug use for the high is destructive to the temple and often becomes god to the user. I think you're confusing God with devil.

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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Boco] #7913341
07/26/23 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Hogwash the Covid vaccine was the first one I got for years.before that the only one I got since i was a kid was ONE,when I went to a tropical country to protect against tropical disease.
Nobody gets 10 vaccines let alone 30.
Kids get MMR at school and a booster a couple years later-thats it.



Boco, this is one thing you definitely have no clue what you’re talking about. Are you raising small children right now? I have 5, and they get ALOT more than MMR and a booster.

There are 10 vaccines that doctors recommend your children get by 1.5 years of age, and several more plus boosters by the age of 15.


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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: ] #7913350
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Originally Posted by J Staton
So you think God is the father of destruction? Drug use for the high is destructive to the temple and often becomes god to the user. I think you're confusing God with devil.


Wow you really came up with that out of no where. I guess you tried to make what I wrote into what you want it to say not what it says.
I will slow it down for you. God gave people free will. That freedom to make good or bad choices that can lead to their earthly as well as eternal damnation. You think you know best and want to eliminate the choices you think are bad for them. So you must think you are more equipped and know more than God. Myself I think that's very arrogant

We should also make booze tobacco, pornography, sex aoutside of marage and all other sinful and poor choice behavior illegal. Im sure more laws and powere to the govermt will stop it as effectively as the war on drugs has been a success. Theft does not happen and murder is unheard of they are all illiegal right that solves everything..

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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913355
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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: BandB] #7913370
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Originally Posted by BandB
I've never understood the pot smokers constantly saying, "But what about alcohol? ".

There is no doubt that alcohol isn't safe when drinking it to excess. It can kill and it's legal.

Pot in excess is no different. I don't smoke, but to attribute cigarette smoking to getting into hard drugs is a real stretch. Liquor could, but so can pot.

We already know the dangers alcohol poses. Why legalize another addictive drug? That's what pot is. What will they legalize next, cocaine, fentanyl?


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: ] #7913374
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Originally Posted by J Staton
So you think God is the father of destruction? Drug use for the high is destructive to the temple and often becomes god to the user. I think you're confusing God with devil.

Amen.


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913376
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Trapper 7 you think most people start smoking pot right off our is it more likely they tried cigarettes first. I don't know anyone that tried pot before they had tried cigarettes.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913377
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Providence Farm let me slow it down for you. As a believer you are advocating for a drug that is destructive to the temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells. You ever read in the Bible about not placing stumbling blocks in front of folks?

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Trapper7] #7913378
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by BandB
I've never understood the pot smokers constantly saying, "But what about alcohol? ".

There is no doubt that alcohol isn't safe when drinking it to excess. It can kill and it's legal.

Pot in excess is no different. I don't smoke, but to attribute cigarette smoking to getting into hard drugs is a real stretch. Liquor could, but so can pot.

We already know the dangers alcohol poses. Why legalize another addictive drug? That's what pot is. What will they legalize next, cocaine, fentanyl?


I'd legalize all drugs. I'd also legalize (remove the nonsense) full autos, grenade launchers, etc. Under my administration, you could walk out of Cabelas with a suppressor.

But I'm a freedom guy. A lot on here are not unless it strictly complies with their narrow definition of freedom.

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Originally Posted by Trapper7
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I've never understood the pot smokers constantly saying, "But what about alcohol? ".

There is no doubt that alcohol isn't safe when drinking it to excess. It can kill and it's legal.

Pot in excess is no different. I don't smoke, but to attribute cigarette smoking to getting into hard drugs is a real stretch. Liquor could, but so can pot.

We already know the dangers alcohol poses. Why legalize another addictive drug? That's what pot is. What will they legalize next, cocaine, fentanyl?

No way! Then it would be easy to acquire!


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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: ] #7913382
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Providence Farm let me slow it down for you. As a believer you are advocating for a drug that is destructive to the temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells. You ever read in the Bible about not placing stumbling blocks in front of folks?



Once again you miss the entire point hung up on your own idea of what pot is and you can save people from themselves if only its stays illegal.

It IS iLLiGAL and has been decades. How is that working out? You can't save people by removing their free choice. You missed or think all the negative s the war on drugs caused and want to stay in your safe narrow bubble . It's OK many do but it won't change reality or the outcome.

Have you ever witnessed family going through chemotherapy and radiation on deaths door and then see the positive effects pot products have on them? Obviously you have not if you had you would not be so closed minded.

So what dose keeping it illegal accomplish in your view? Realistically what does it do that's positive name one or two things?

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913384
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Trapper 7 you think most people start smoking pot right off our is it more likely they tried cigarettes first. I don't know anyone that tried pot before they had tried cigarettes.

That's definitely possible. But, there are a lot more people who smoke that have never tried pot. I know a couple people who smoke cigarettes and pot. They all say pot will get you much higher than cigarettes. I quite smoking years ago. Took me quite a few years to realize how stupid it was.

You mention God gave man a free will meaning he chooses his destiny. I agree with you. But, do you think Jesus would condone it if you were an alcoholic, cigarette smoker, porn, etc, even though we are judged by faith? Faith is what saves us. However, it is also written, "You will know them by their actions".


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913387
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by J Staton
Providence Farm let me slow it down for you. As a believer you are advocating for a drug that is destructive to the temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells. You ever read in the Bible about not placing stumbling blocks in front of folks?



Once again you miss the entire point hung up on your own idea of what pot is and you can save people from themselves if only its stays illegal.

It IS iLLiGAL and has been decades. How is that working out? You can't save people by removing their free choice. You missed or think all the negative s the war on drugs caused and want to stay in your safe narrow bubble . It's OK many do but it won't change reality or the outcome.

Have you ever witnessed family going through chemotherapy and radiation on deaths door and then see the positive effects pot products have on them? Obviously you have not if you had you would not be so closed minded.

So what dose keeping it illegal accomplish in your view? Realistically what does it do that's positive name one or two things?



I have no problem with pot being legal for certain illnesses to ease pain. There are many states that have made it legal in that sense. I oppose the recreational use being legal. People will still get pot if they want it whether it's legal or not. It's harder to obtain than if it's legal.

I've seen first hand the lives pot has destroyed by moving onto drugs that give a bigger high. As I said, comparing cigarette smoking as a gateway drug to pot, there are a lot of cigarette smokers who don't smoke pot.


Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913395
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I'm not talking about legal or illegal, I'm talking about you, as a believer, advocating the use of a drug that is harmful to the body and intoxicating to the mind. Unless inhaling smoke is now healthy.
As for my opinion on weed it should have never been regulated by .gov in any form. However that pandoras box has been opened and to legalize it now will only legitimize it. Leading to even more spiritual/physical destruction

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913408
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Trapper 7 sure a lot of people smoke cigarettes that don't smoke pot. A lot of pot smokers also don’t go on to other drugs what's your point. Most all pot smokers did start with cigarettes. Then moved up to include pot.

If you use your pot argument the Same as cigarettes you can see hoe silly your pot argument is.

J Staton I'm not the morality police. I'm also not advocating or saying I think people should smoke pot. You seem to have the same mind set as o he doesn't think 100%of what Trump did was great so he must be for Biden mind set.

. Look back I said making pot illegal did more harm than good.. that it's people's choice to smoke pot or take their wife to an orgy. I don't believe it's my job or place to tell them what they can or can't do.

It's not my job as a believer to look down on people and be judgmental or make choices for them. Infact I can't make anyone do anything.
It is my job to share the gospel and live it out and set an example. The rest is God's department. He opens minds and hearts changing desires and behaviors. Not me . I believe in freedom being open about your failures, not trying to act like a sant. All that does is turn people off and away and they see nothing but a hypocrite.
Jesus didn't stay in the temples he went to the streets among the sinners and the sin. He got his hands dirty.

Giving guidance and understanding, living as an example will have a more positive effect than making things illegal. It does not make it hard to get at all. It just gives more power to the government and those with limited perspective a feel good measure.

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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: BandB] #7913413
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Originally Posted by BandB
I've never understood the pot smokers constantly saying, "But what about alcohol? ".

Was in the VA Hospital for surgery, and some guy wanted me to sign a petition, he said pot's no worse than alcohol, I asked if it was any better. He couldn't answer. I realized i was right. Haven't had a drop since. Late Aug 2012.


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I am trying to understand something you are destroying the temple of God if you use pot but it's okay to flood it with booze? Sorry folks but it kind of seems a little backwards.

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