I think it makes the US look foolish sending Kerry to China 🇨🇳 to ask about going green, Thats one thing that will NEVER happen.

Wowser White sure doesn't support the green energy lie well.

They need to look at the interstate highway system. The traffic is non stop 24/7 365. A pressure plate, toggle switch…something! If I can crank up a flashlight by hand what could millions and millions and millions of cars trucks and semis do?

Solar is not bad,nor is it a bad investment. I put in a 7.6 kw system (tied into the grid, no battery backup) on my roof 4 years ago. I purchased the components online, and installed the system myself, except for the hook up to my meter which cost me $400. My out of pocket was $15k. Since installing the system, my monthly electric bills are less then $13 per month. They use to average well over $200 monthly. In another year and a half, my system will have paid for itself and I’ll have cheap electricity thereafter. Is solar green? Who cares! I bought the system as an investment to save me for the long haul. I consider solar the best $15k I’ve ever spent.

You got off easy if it works. Know people that have dropped a half mil on solar and it still can't perform completely. Even with running lower load appliances to keep load demand down.

Sniper sounds like the people you know needed Olney to pick their system and install it. Whoever they chose obviously didn't work. Sounds like they may need to figure out how to use less juice if they needed a system that cost so much.

Theirs are full systems not connected to the grid at all.

Ya got that right !

Unless Biden can repeal the laws of physics they will never succeed.

It is amazing the folks that have no concept of limitations the laws of physics have on attaining goals.

My late friend, Don Greider, had 106 patents in just solar energy. He had more patents in automotive and other fields. He very much believed this too, that soar was great for heating water, which could also be used to heat buildings, was not a cheap, efficient way of making electricity, without government sponsorship and that wind turbines cost more than they would ever return.

Keith

Still seems very hight especially for it not to work. Out way back in the coal mine I used to hunt a guy built a nice large modern home. He ran it off solar had a very large ground mount system and was completely off grid. Not to save the planet but becuse the power company was going to charge him 100k to run lines to him. His complete system cost him 80k and that was over 10 years ago. Solar has come down in price a bunch In the time. He saved 20k and does not get a monthly bill. He Had nothing but positive to say about his system.

That's why your persions story sounds so odd to me. Almost like they have their system facing north, under trees or its just not designed properly . But who knows I have zero personal experience other than my fence charging system. But that's why I want to put a small system in to play with.

Got off easy? No! I did my research before I purchased my system. Iowa is loaded with people using solar. Seems like large scale farmers in my area have it now too. It's very reliable and the components I bought carry a 20 year warranty. Systems with battery backup are really only useful for people living off grid, or those who's grid faces long outages frequently. Mine does not. Again, I didn't purchase my system because I thought it would save the planet. I bought it to save ME!

The older I get the more I learn just how true that statement is

Cavemen knew how to get the most out of solar at a low investment. But even for him it was unreliable. Come out of his cave expecting to lay on a warm rock and oops no sunshine.

And onward to his quest for fire.

This thread had me thinking I remembered that I saw a show about solar thermal power plants here’s a link to the government website on them.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/solar/solar-thermal-power-plants.php

this is not true, I have a 10kwh solar setup with battery backup. It is almost paid for, another 2-3 year and it it'll be paid off. We have 4 years in already.
may have to get a new battery pack at some point but with a total energy cost of about $800/yr there is a lot of savings to be had.

As demand for electricity raises the cost will increase.

So it looks like those that actually have a solar system like them and in a short amount of time will be saving money. What's more interesting is two on this page live further north where it less sun hours a day and theybare still happy with their investments. Those that are negative about them don't have personal experience and are repeating what they have heard. Just my observations.

Dirty d did you put your system in or have it done?

Honda builds lawnmowers in NC. Converting the plant to ATVs. In a matter of months they are ceasing gasoline mowers.

They are in business to make profit. Can’t meat government requirements and consumers now want electric mowers for home use.

They are becoming more popular. Probably work fine if you have a small yard in town.

I have an electric mower, weedeater. Power tools. They are all great but still need coal power to charge my batteries.