Big push for over the counter self administered , no consequence for drug abuse , in a nasal spray


Why not correct the root cause , and eliminate the need in the first place ?

It will never be self administered, except for a known accidental contact by first responders. By the time it's needed, the user will be unconscious.

Seems to me an OD is a self correcting problem.

So sad all the good lives lost I know of several locally here......jk

Ahh yes , good point .....I meant by a fellow drug addict still conscious ....

Absolutely !

Im with Warrior. OD seems to be the cure.

It's free in many vending machines

Taking away the consequences of stupidity just leads to more stupid people

The nasal spray doesn't always work as sometimes when people are OD ing they have so much snot running down their face, nothing is getting in. They have an epi pen kind of narcan that works a LOT better but it's much more expensive. And yes, the person OD'ing isn't going to be the one administering it anyhow.

Now I see Montreal has opened "safe centers" where you can go in and shoot up in the safety of medical personnel in case you get it wrong, they can narcan you back right away. They also have paid personnel that wonders the streets looking for people to narcan back to superior and productive lives.

with the contact possibility with fentanyl I could see having one if it is under 20 dollars.

just consider it a backup to PPE

I carry a tourniquet in my truck , I don't plan on needing that either.

it wouldn't be for any old addict I happened to find it would be for me or people I know should I come on some one and touch them before I realize they are in OD

but I have kids in college and everything can be laced with Fentanyl these days who knows what

my daughter was walking just off campus to get food and had a person come up to them who was having a bad reaction to drugs , she didn't want to deal with the person , but he wouldn't go away he was having a bad trip or something so she spotted a buss stopped about a half a block up and said , the buss driver will help so she walked them up to the buss driver because she figured that was where she was getting help if this went bad.
so yeah I could se buying her a narcan over the counter to keep ....................... not next to the knife and pepper spray I bought her that she had left in here room

Some of these vending machines are on college campuses. I see your point , it's prolly a good idea for the non drug user .....we live in a crazy world

I know of one vending machine at the Rock county Jail , while the public can get to it and buy it , it is at least part for the deputies , jailers , social workers and such backup ppe

I don't get why people feel "sad" that druggies die.

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It's not your run of the mill 'junkie' dieing in the street, it's the kid down the street! Crap has killed more than covid ever could dream of yet crickets from the communist media and gov. we are under cause they would have to admit it's all traced back to their open border policy.

You ever have a freinds or family member committed suicide?? Maybe parent or one your kids?
I think it's just a slower method when doppers use.

I never had any OD patient thank me after they were narcaned woke up. In fact many were upset they paid for a high and we stole it from them.

I think giving them narcan is just enabling. That just me.

AntiGov.
What is this root cause you seem to know of the cure for???


Mac

My personality says let em' die and thin the herd.
My conscience says it not the right or humane thing to do.
Who knows. I've got three grandsons coming up. What if one of them makes a really stupid mistake. Maybe someone will be there for them.

Drug dealers are the ones that need a dirt nap.
This fentanyl is scary stuff and the animals are lacing it into everything.

wife's co-workers step son died of a fentanyl OD , guy got hooked years ago , in and out of prison , with as much trouble as he put them through they still loved him and didn't want him to die in his early 30s

I am a firefighter/emt and have used narcan on many people. Over the course of my career I have felt the same way as many of the responses above. The statements are mostly accurate too. 99% of the people we save have already od once or they’ll od again. And many will eventually die from their drug use. So I understand the attitude of it being “self correcting”. I really do. I’ve felt the exact same thing doing cpr while waiting for the narcan to kick in, all the while looking at the 4 year old crying in the corner because her daddy won’t wake up. It’s a bad feeling wondering if that kid would be better off if I didn’t get her daddy back. But every now and again I get to save an 18 year old kid who took a pill he didn’t know had been soaked in fentanyl. And every now and again that kid gets clean, straightens his life up, and by all appearances shows no signs of relapsing. There’s no reason to think he won’t live a productive life and raise a family of his own. I’m personally grateful that all my stupid has not been self correcting.
Another angle I consider. If we should let an addict “self correct”, where do we draw the line? Should we let diabetics “self correct” when their sugar drops? Mouth cancer patients that dip or chew? Smokers with lung cancer? Over weight heart patients? Drunks that wrap themselves around a tree?
Again, I’ve had the same thoughts as above, but I think it’s a razor thin line that has no business in my mind.

Nope, but I have a flaming queen step brother that I haven't said hi to in 30 years.