Re: Any framers here?
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Gable. Whole ceiling for now. Full dimension or engineered?? Not sure what you mean?
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Re: Any framers here?
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I am not a builder or a great carpenter.. In my shop , I put a large beam, actually a hydro pole, a good stout one , across the width of it . 28 feet. It is not part of the building support, but could be, , sits in pole barn support beam. Has been used many times for , big bucks, machine lifting , you name it.. Your skinning machine might work into it. If you know someone in the utility field . or a logger they could likely fix you up. with something.. Good luck with your new building. old243
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Re: Any framers here?
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You will need a fairly steep pitch to make a usefull loft in a 20x20. Be better off doing it with regular trusses and just make a spot for a winch between 2 of them.
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Re: Any framers here?
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Why not pole frame, make it any interior height you want and use trusses? Already in the process of framing the walls. One more to go which ill do tomorrow.
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Re: Any framers here?
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Beams.There are charts for beam requirements for different spans/loads.
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Re: Any framers here?
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Beams.There are charts for beam requirements for different spans/loads. This. Get a para lam 20 long for a ridge and frame away. 11.5 or maybe 14. Depends on your snow load and how steep the pitch. Steep pitch, metal roof equals very little snow load. Put a cross beam at wall height rafter tails to rafter tails center of wall. Anchor it good and the walls will never spread - the peak wont sag. Use that one cross beam to hang things, make it stout. Osky
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Re: Any framers here?
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Framers..... those are the folks that work with precious materials like gold smith's right ???
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Re: Any framers here?
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i built a 16x20 2 story barn for under $800 with scrounged and mark down material. it doesn't cost hardly anything to go up an extra 4 ft of knee wall, or more, basically just a few extra joist's and floor deck. just leave some of the upper floor out for that vaulted ceiling.
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Re: Any framers here?
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Scissor trusses come to mind.
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Re: Any framers here?
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I would get parallel cord trusses. The beam thing is easy but the R value will be hard to pick up. Parallel cord trusses will be deep enough to stuff them with whatever or i would do blow in. When you get that 10 of snow and it rains for three days youll be happy. A beam/glue-lam sufficient enough to hold that load would be somewhere around 7w and 12-16 deep from my experience here(actually a full time framer/carpenter).
All these things aside, i would do regualr trusses and incorporate storage in the collar ties. Unless you have a bull head to hang ^^^^^^^^^^ This. A 20 foot span is nothing. Have a truss plant engineer your trusses for a vaulted ceiling. That will give you some room for insulation. I would build any loft as a free standing assembly and support it to the floor across the gable end of the building. Increase your wall height to 10 or 12 feet and sheet ACROSS the joint. Don't break your sheeting at that hinge point.
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Re: Any framers here?
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Could you vault the ceiling in the middle 1/3, and have joists on each end 1/3 for lofts? Using rafters/ridge board that is.
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