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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7243203 04/14/21 11:00 AM 04/14/21 11:00 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,365 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,365 East-Central Wisconsin	Sad really that the future of the fur industry will be like a Walmart model where one or two companies give trinkets and beads to the trappers and sell them cheap and dressed into the user countries. The days of making good money on the fur industry is over. I guess I was lucky to see the days when it was in it's glory. LLL Trinkets and beads-that was what was commonly exchanged in the early fur trade, especially with native fur harvesters and at rondys, pelts were bartered for supplies. Not much liquidity in that industry from the get go, yet we idolize those eras. I guess we are getting exactly what we have been we embrace. If our industry continues to be a lower volume, lower price industry then there are two avenues for most fur to move. Very large, very well heeled firms that can invest and hold if needed or a return of many very small buyers with buying and moving fur as a side line business that can have monies infused from other sources. The one advantage large auction houses have is they don't need to BUY the fur, so they don't have to spend cash for ownership. The draw back of that is they don't have any collateral or equity to use to borrow etc. and thus to maintain liquidity the need to sell other owners assets to exist. Bryce

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7243314 04/14/21 01:30 PM 04/14/21 01:30 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA LLtrapper "The Coon Combine"
LLtrapper "The Coon Combine" Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA	Originally Posted by teepee2 A democrat now there is a low blow. I'm not the one who can't comprehend the "room" meant the auction room. I'm also not the one telling lies about were one person has made their purchases, or the one playing the woo is me tune and crying a river. You seem to be the one that is spinning the story to fit your narrative. And you'er calling me a democrat. I will no longer see or respond to anything you say. Even after showing you the quote where she said she had bought in the PT room you still do not hear it and say I am a liar. You are either ignorant of the english language or you indeed are a liberal. Either way you are now on a very short list of blocked folks. LLL Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243328 04/14/21 01:47 PM 04/14/21 01:47 PM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 920 Ontario, Canada S sweetwilliam trapper
sweetwilliam trapper S Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 920 Ontario, Canada	Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't everything go to pt right after it comes off the auction floor. Meaning you can have a number of different types of fur selling for days pt before the auction is over on a 5 or 6 day event.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243348 04/14/21 02:20 PM 04/14/21 02:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,700 north Idaho W wissmiss trapper
wissmiss trapper W Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,700 north Idaho	Since there seems to be a great deal of interest in where and how I buy fur at international auctions, I would like to make the following statement. I have been attending international fur auctions as a buyer since 1984. Hudson Bay, NAFA, Fur Harvesters, Seattle Fur Exchange, American Legend. During that time period, I have done the bulk of my buying in the auction room (The Room). The auction room is where there is in person bidding with a live auctioneer. Multiple people may be bidding on a particular lot OR there may be only one bidder. I have on occasion made purchases in the Private Treaty room (PT room). Some of the time, I have been forced to buy in the PT room. These occasions occur when there is very little interest in an item and those pages are withdrawn. The auctioneer will announce “pages so to so are withdrawn. See Mr X in the PT room”. I have also made purchases in the PT room for other reasons - didn’t get what I wanted/needed in The Room, last minute order, values on an item were lower than I anticipated, hadn’t looked at the samples before they were auctioned, etc. I do not have the statistics to back this up but I would say that overall 80% or so of my purchases were made in The Room. I have always contended and will continue to contend that the PT room is an essential part of the auction process. Over and out. www.usedtraps.com Please check out my updated inventory of Native American books.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243351 04/14/21 02:24 PM 04/14/21 02:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,193 IA, WI, ND, IL M martyd trapper
martyd trapper M Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,193 IA, WI, ND, IL	Question... I know we’re only 2 days from the start of the April auction but can anyone tell me if both buyers and sellers can follow the auction on the Internet. Lot to Lot ? I use to buy some fur through NAFA. Not a lot of fur less than $8000.00 a year mostly wolves and arctic fox and 1 lot of coon and 1/2 lot of ranch mink if they were available. I only have 2 small clothing accounts and 1 gift Type account I buy for. This year i tried to get a buyers account but struggled to get it done with getting a response. After finally getting a response 2 weeks ago the policy was I needed to place 35% Down of the possible amount Of fur I was going to buy. At NAFA I would attend in person and would settle up at the end of every days auction. I choose not to this time with FHA because of the state of the fur industry was in and I am very Leary on giving FHA money on fur I might buy or not buy. Just seems like this year FHA is in some disarray. 10% seemed fair but not 35% down. I thought I would follow along the auction catalog and try to buy some items PT at the end of each days auction. As a buyer I would feel better about it. Just give them my CC card number and have them ship fur to dressers. Please post if you guys now if we can follow the auction on internet live lot to lot. So far with 2 days left before auction no answer from FHA. Thanks. Marty

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243390 04/14/21 03:45 PM 04/14/21 03:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA T teepee2 trapper
teepee2 trapper T Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA	Even though you won't read this. I am sure as heck not going to cry about it. I consider it a benefit to be block from your stupidly.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7243398 04/14/21 03:57 PM 04/14/21 03:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,524 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,524 james bay frontierOnt.	Originally Posted by teepee2 Even though you won't read this. I am sure as heck not going to cry about it. I consider it a benefit to be block from your stupidly. I hope that arrogant arse blocks me too. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243405 04/14/21 04:06 PM 04/14/21 04:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,854 Wisconsin T The Beav trapper
The Beav trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,854 Wisconsin	That comment will probably get It done. LOL But you can't blame LLL for being ticked off for the way things were handled. The forum Know It All according to Muskrat

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Boco] #7243410 04/14/21 04:11 PM 04/14/21 04:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA LLtrapper "The Coon Combine"
LLtrapper "The Coon Combine" Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA	Originally Posted by Boco Originally Posted by teepee2 Even though you won't read this. I am sure as heck not going to cry about it. I consider it a benefit to be block from your stupidly. I hope that arrogant arse blocks me too. Nah bozo I don’t block people for just being mentally incompetent. Unfortunately when you quoted toilet paper 2 you actually unblocked him. He is just down right illiterate and not worth my time. At least your fun to trigger.😂 Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243412 04/14/21 04:21 PM 04/14/21 04:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,524 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,524 james bay frontierOnt.	I think I met you once in North bay-you were bragging about catching 700 coons. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243419 04/14/21 04:34 PM 04/14/21 04:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA T teepee2 trapper
teepee2 trapper T Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA	I've been blocked by Lippy Larry another page out of a democrats play book. "cancel culture". If you can't win the argument just cancel me.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243435 04/14/21 04:59 PM 04/14/21 04:59 PM
Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA T teepee2 trapper
teepee2 trapper T Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,795 IA	I see it as him being ticked off at the current market conditions, then taking it out on anybody he can. Nobody is happy the way things are. That don't make it right to say someone "carries their water", or calling people illiterate, mentally incompetent and other insults. Last edited by teepee2; 04/14/21 09:39 PM.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243437 04/14/21 05:03 PM 04/14/21 05:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,246 Oregon beaverpeeler trapper
beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,246 Oregon	I agree with you teepee. That's how I read it too. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243444 04/14/21 05:16 PM 04/14/21 05:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2020 Posts: 62 Michigan O otterc trapper
otterc trapper O Joined: Mar 2020 Posts: 62 Michigan	Some of you whiners just need to get over it. The bottom line is you have a choice on where to sell your fur. If you feel you are being treated unfairly move on. If you have been trapping raccoons the past couple of years in this down market then that is just plain dumb. You would be spending more money on gas than what the fur would bring in. One positive would be if you are doing wildlife management to have more birds. If you were doing it to make money, then stupid is, stupid does.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243474 04/14/21 05:44 PM 04/14/21 05:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,598 Timmins Ontario G gibb trapper
gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,598 Timmins Ontario	I would believe Fha Downey statement about not selling anything PT at the last Aug sale was not never again but rather more a statement they would not PT any goods right after the sale like what happens after most every auction sale. Reading it like they would not PT any goods until the next auction is not how the system works. Not PT any good right after the sale is what he was telling the buyers to try and get them to buy as much as possible during the actual auction. Selling goods PT months after the auction happens after every sale right up until they build new catalogues for the next auction happens. Unfortunately the market sucks and the PT sales reflect that situation. Closing off PT sales right after the live auction is strategy to get the buyers to buy. Selling PT sales between auctions is a normal practice. Where they failed was not sending out statements and or updating the shippers accounts with the checks they send out.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243479 04/14/21 05:47 PM 04/14/21 05:47 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN S Steven 49er trapper
Steven 49er trapper S Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN	They call it the skin game for a reason. Once your fur has been consigned a shipper has lost any control. I know that is obvious but it doesn't seem like some get that. Every auction house I've been involved has said one thing and done another. This isn't the first time FHA has done it and won't be the last. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243480 04/14/21 05:50 PM 04/14/21 05:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 19,719 pa H hippie trapper
hippie trapper H Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 19,719 pa	Hopefully they get their crap together and be more user friendly for both buyer and seller. Its obvious they're behind the 8 ball on many fronts.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Boco] #7243481 04/14/21 05:51 PM 04/14/21 05:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA LLtrapper "The Coon Combine"
LLtrapper "The Coon Combine" Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,635 Pottawatamie co. IA	Originally Posted by Boco I think I met you once in North bay-you were bragging about catching 700 coons. Nope not me boco. When I am coon trapping I can catch 700 in a few weeks. In a season you are an amateur around here at 700. Besides I have never had any desire to go to Ontario. LLL Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: martyd] #7243630 04/14/21 09:32 PM 04/14/21 09:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 698 Ontario S Saskfly trapper
Saskfly trapper S Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 698 Ontario	Originally Posted by martyd Question... I know we’re only 2 days from the start of the April auction but can anyone tell me if both buyers and sellers can follow the auction on the Internet. Lot to Lot ? I use to buy some fur through NAFA. Not a lot of fur less than $8000.00 a year mostly wolves and arctic fox and 1 lot of coon and 1/2 lot of ranch mink if they were available. I only have 2 small clothing accounts and 1 gift Type account I buy for. This year i tried to get a buyers account but struggled to get it done with getting a response. After finally getting a response 2 weeks ago the policy was I needed to place 35% Down of the possible amount Of fur I was going to buy. At NAFA I would attend in person and would settle up at the end of every days auction. I choose not to this time with FHA because of the state of the fur industry was in and I am very Leary on giving FHA money on fur I might buy or not buy. Just seems like this year FHA is in some disarray. 10% seemed fair but not 35% down. I thought I would follow along the auction catalog and try to buy some items PT at the end of each days auction. As a buyer I would feel better about it. Just give them my CC card number and have them ship fur to dressers. Please post if you guys now if we can follow the auction on internet live lot to lot. So far with 2 days left before auction no answer from FHA. Thanks. Marty When they hold the live auctions they streamed it but the online auction is buyer's only..... Last edited by Saskfly; 04/14/21 09:32 PM.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243718 04/14/21 10:55 PM 04/14/21 10:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,047 Iowa M mink99 trapper
mink99 trapper M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,047 Iowa	Ranch mink sale just got over and was fairly successful. Dark males were a bit of a struggle. Mutations were very good. Some of the best male prices broke over $80. Hoping that FHA can get some money made for us for the wild fur. To me the biggest part of the fur industry that is in shambles is the ranch fox. Just no demand there other than the blue fox. ITA, NTA, FTA

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