Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: Gary Benson]
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And most want awd or 4wd. I was reading on another forum where a guy was mad because his 4WD didn't get him UN-STUCK. Yep, wait until you're buried, then engage 4WD...that's how you do it. I don't see how a person can pay $75-80,000 for a new vehicle. Big pickups, Suburbans etc. Some folks just have too much money. Heck, some pickups with over 100,000 miles are still priced over $30,000. I will be walking before I pay that. I sold a lawnmower to a Young couple at a G.Sale last summer. I commented on his Nice New truck... He said it had a 5 year payoff loan of $798.00 a month!
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/17/19 09:09 AM
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True SUVs are quickly becoming a thing of the past. A typical SUV is a body on frame vehicle, with a north/south facing engine, rear wheel/4 wheel drive. What most people call an SUV are actually crossovers, which are typically unibody construction, an east/west engine, front wheel/all wheel drive configuration. Basically, a crossover is a vehicle with SUV styling built on a car platform. Think of the most common "SUVs"- Ford edge/explorer/escape, chevy traverse/equinox, jeep patriot/compass-they're all unibody with east/west engines and front wheel/all wheel drive.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: Boco]
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01/17/19 09:12 AM
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Honda civic-great car.For a long time too. Yep I agree IMO. They just go and go the one I have gets 40 plus on the hwy.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/17/19 09:17 AM
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If you could still buy a full size car people would. These little cracker boxes are a joke. Have to buy a suv to have any room and horsepower. Just another symptom of too much government.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: Gary Benson]
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01/17/19 09:36 AM
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And most want awd or 4wd. I was reading on another forum where a guy was mad because his 4WD didn't get him UN-STUCK. Yep, wait until you're buried, then engage 4WD...that's how you do it. I don't see how a person can pay $75-80,000 for a new vehicle. Big pickups, Suburbans etc. Some folks just have too much money. Heck, some pickups with over 100,000 miles are still priced over $30,000. I will be walking before I pay that. The sudden rise in vehicles prices ,Heck anything that had to be financed can be linked the banks extending the time you can finance. If 48 -60 months was all they would finance people couldn't afford a 50- 80 k dollar car. Same with a bass boat. In the 80's 36 months all they would do on a used boat and 48 on new. Same with cars. Heck now a person can finance a bass boat for up to 25 years !!!! (didn't say smart) Suv and pickup buyers can go as long as 96 months now !!!
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/17/19 09:52 AM
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We had a small car. Chev Cruze. Good car. We went for a crossover. Got a chevolet equinox. About five grand more than the Cruze, all wheel drive, selctable for better mileage, with a four cylinder turbo that gets almost as good mileage as the Cruze. Plus, I took four adults, a dog, downhill ski gear, luggage, and a bunch of other stuff to the airport and dropped them off the other day without trouble. Try that in a car. I don't use a truck for trapping, and it will haul all my toys, sleds, ATVs, boats, etc (except for the big boat) without trouble and get great mileage doing it.
If I don't need a truck, why would I buy a car? The back seats fold down to an all weather plastic rear that handles a muddy dog or a bunch of beaver in a pinch.
Also, Ford is still offering their hatchback focus as well as the mustang.
We did finance it, but at like one percent, and five years. I would never finance anything without a warranty, and when the financing is up, so is the warranty. Sell it, repeat. No shop costs. If I was a mechanic, it would be cheaper for me.to keep vehicles longer.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/18/19 12:03 AM
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My wife and I do pretty good financially but we can not afford any brand new vehicle. I bought a 2005 chevy silverado with 133k miles and I still whince at the thought I paid 13k for it. A new truck payment is darn near equal to my mortgage payment. I refuse to pay that much for a truck but buying used can bite you too, I already put 1k into brakes and have had a starter issue and will replace my starter, I bought from a dealer to avoid thsee very issues but they have no sympathy and do not care at all after the sale.
I am madder than a wet hen over the billions these car manufacturers took from us (Ford excluded) and then they charge us the cost of a house for a new truck that has to be special ordered to get an 8 foot bed which costs even more. I do not know what we will do when my kids start to drive.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/18/19 10:09 AM
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I think that the government should of attached Tariffs long ago on the countries that tag our US vehicles going there.
That would have slowed up the Japanese influx years ago.
Someone got bought off.
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: seniortrap]
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01/18/19 10:19 AM
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Why would you want to slow the Japanese influx? Then our options would be limited to paying big money for American-made junk and supporting mismanagement and bloated unions.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Cars thing of the past
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01/18/19 10:23 AM
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I believe there will always be cars...just maybe not Fords
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: EdP]
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01/18/19 11:12 PM
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Before Japanese cars hit the US market cars fell apart before reaching 100,000 miles. Some said Detroit would buy back any vehicle that went over 100K to see what they did right. If they actually did buy any back I think it was to see what they did wrong. The Japanese made American car mfgs change their ways and make quality vehicles. My wife has a `99 Rav 4 with 212K miles that still has the original shocks/struts, exhaust, rear brakes, and almost everything else. That stuff had to be replaced every 20K on American mfg vehicles until the Japanese changed the game. I remember working as an engineer in a nuclear power plant in 1980 making $8/hr but my coworkers nephew was making $18/hr in Detroit polishing hoods for GM. I have zero sympathy for the members of the American Auto Workers Union who lost their jobs to foreign completion. They would not have lost their jobs if they had not been screwing their fellow Americans. Amen Brother!
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/23/19 04:22 PM
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The attitude that EDP has is ASSUMING the auto workers were /are all wrong!
Management has a tendency to get sloppy when producing anything, cars as well. Its called a BONUS in getting more out.
I worked at Oldsmobile for 30 of my 40 years. There was a more conscience there than say Flint-Buick.
I know for a fact from the people who were transferred to Lansing had a poor working attitude. As per/Oldsmobile workers.
Oh, sure there were lazy people at Oldsmobile as well who would just plug along.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/23/19 04:33 PM
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Been so long since I've owned a car, I don't know if I remember how to drive one. Trucks the last 35 years. My wife doesn't even want a car since she had her first 4WD.
Most in this country have things people in other countries only dream about. Yet, they want America to be more like those other countries.
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Re: Cars thing of the past
[Re: seniortrap]
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The attitude that EDP has is ASSUMING the auto workers were /are all wrong!
Management has a tendency to get sloppy when producing anything, cars as well. Its called a BONUS in getting more out.
I worked at Oldsmobile for 30 of my 40 years. There was a more conscience there than say Flint-Buick.
I know for a fact from the people who were transferred to Lansing had a poor working attitude. As per/Oldsmobile workers.
Oh, sure there were lazy people at Oldsmobile as well who would just plug along. I think GM was wrong in getting rid of Pontiac and keeping Buick. Chevy should have kept the Trailblazer instead of that ugly thing they replaced it with. Tahoes are over priced for what you're getting, IMO.
Most in this country have things people in other countries only dream about. Yet, they want America to be more like those other countries.
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