Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
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07/04/18 08:26 AM
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Who is "THEY"! Apparently "THEY" were wrong, AGAIN!
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
[Re: Tactical.20]
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07/04/18 09:55 AM
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I wrote a speech in college about predator control. Isle Royal wolves we're one of my examples why predator population control is needed How did how paper address predator control on the island? I ask because from my limited knowledge the reason wolves are nearly gone (estimated 1 remaining) is because of inbreeding.
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
[Re: AJE]
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07/04/18 10:52 AM
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My question is this. The mainland of Minnesotas north has no real population of moose left. Wolves, disease, ticks, brainworm, cause being whatever. Why spend money to move wolves to the island to slaughter moose instead of moving some of the overpopulation back to the " mainland" of Minnesota? Hellooooo? Pete is absolutely right above.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
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07/04/18 11:04 AM
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I wrote a speech in college about predator control. Isle Royal wolves we're one of my examples why predator population control is needed How did how paper address predator control on the island? That was my point, no population control, no new animals moving in, in breeding made them weaker and unhealthier I ask because from my limited knowledge the reason wolves are nearly gone (estimated 1 remaining) is because of inbreeding.
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
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07/04/18 11:33 AM
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My question is this. The mainland of Minnesotas north has no real population of moose left. Wolves, disease, ticks, brainworm, cause being whatever. Why spend money to move wolves to the island to slaughter moose instead of moving some of the overpopulation back to the " mainland" of Minnesota? Hellooooo? Pete is absolutely right above.
Osky Maybe the Park Service is finding that tourist business is dropping because there are no habituated wolves to photograph.........much like Denali and the greenies always whining about declining wolf populations. Well heck. They always find trained wolves for movies and documentaries, bring a couple in, have them howl on command, viewing greenies can have an orgasm, and everyone goes home happy! Particularly the moose! Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
[Re: AJE]
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07/04/18 01:07 PM
07/04/18 01:07 PM
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A planned hunt would give hunter a chance to thin. Plus the great meat.
Set the season when its not Mid-January. But maybe November 1st. Weather permitting.
Have a drawing at $100 for a ticket. The ferry boats would love it.
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
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07/04/18 01:11 PM
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White, Sharon, and others.
I've not kept up recently with the Isle Royale situation, although a lot of Dave Mech's earlier work (several decades ago) was real good wolf/moose interaction work, done on Isle Royale.
In my opinion, it doesn't take a metric boatload of wolves (or any other vertebrate species, for that matter) as founder populations to increase the genetic diversity and reduce the incidence of inbreeding, with resultant bottlenecks, birth deformities, and reduced vigor of the population. Geneticists and other biologist-types have for years relied on mathematical models and come up with astounding numbers that are "critical" to ensure genetic diversity. On the other hand, there are documented realities from a variety of species that have done well over many generations with a founder population of two. (Long as one's a male and one's a female). I'm not advocating reintroduction of wolves on Isle Royale. I seem to remember not too long ago that the National Park Service was advocating letting it "naturally" repopulate (or not) and see what happens (as Pete mentioned above).
In a Park situation, especially one that's "insular" (isolated from other populations), kick-starting the wolf population will probably result in rapid increases in the wolf population, the result being a decline in prey (moose) populations. Without management, the pendulum will again swing in favor of wolves, and the vicious cycle will undoubtedly repeat itself over the next few decades. Predator/Prey populations have historically never been in "balance" over the long-term. It is a roller-coaster of selective highs-and-lows. These wild cycles can be moderated, to the long-term benefit of both species, with reasonable management (sportsmen harvest). Obviously, that isn't going to happen in a National Park.
My two-cents worth...
Jack
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Re: Isle Royale wolf reintroduction
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07/04/18 01:27 PM
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In my opinion,If they want it so called natural without human hunters (which is not natural),then they should leave it alone.Let the wolves re-populate when the climatic conditions are right again,and in the meantime let the moose overbrowse,that,even in the absence of wolves, will eventually result in a decline of the moose to the point that the habitat will recover,and the cycle will repeat in the boom and bust of non management. If they want a long term maximum sustainable ecosystem with wolves and moose,then management on an ongoing basis(like allowing regulated hunting and trapping on an annual basis) would work well.However,it may not be worth the effort in that place.
Last edited by Boco; 07/04/18 01:31 PM.
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