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#551683 - 01/30/08 07:52 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Butch.]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Buzzard you got the best fur in the world and I can't buy fur as good as you have in your state. Sorry I misled you into thinking my crapy Indiana fur is worth more. I am also done defending the beaver drowner. Do what you want. You know best. I could really care less. I just wish that all the snared beaver I buy were as good as the beaver you have in your state. ADC the only way I know to catch beaver is with drowners. I do not dry land set for them with snares nor will I ever do that. If I could tell you how to stop the snare damage on dry land I would. But it seems as though beaver do not get snare damage on dry land. With this said I will now shut my ignorant mouth.
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#551702 - 01/30/08 07:58 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
Chisholm Trapper Chisholm Trapper trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 869 Loc: Northern On. CANADA	Originally Posted By: gibb Call it what you want but beaver snare on land= damage Cheers Jim Hey Jim, Hope thats not one of mine...LOL, _________________________
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#551715 - 01/30/08 08:01 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Chisholm Trapper Chisholm Trapper trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 869 Loc: Northern On. CANADA	Originally Posted By: Buzzard heck Gibb........330's do just as much damage and them nasty canadian beliles are the worst. I got some pics to go find.........perfect no-line snared beaver, a foot hold couldnt do it this good......lol if your 330`s do that much damage buzzard, its time to buy some new traps! Luke _________________________
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#551720 - 01/30/08 08:03 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Butch.]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7362 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Ive snared alot of beaver in my life, before this past week id of said all snared beaver had damage as well, as I have in the past on this very forum! But whipper snapper Kyle though he probably don't know it taught me something on snaring beaver for fur this past week! I can't honestly say those he snared would be able to be picked out of the pile of other's he's caught. He's using 5/64 cable swiveled to 3/32 for his snares with his relax lock. After removing the beaver from the snare and rubbing up the fur no line can be found and because the snare hasn't LOCKED down in one spot I highly doubt a snare mark will be shown on the leather. Strong conibears DO leave a mark, sometimes a heck of a mark on the leather! That's my two cents worth on this topic, take it for what it's worth. Edited by Jtrapper (01/30/08 08:05 PM) _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#551749 - 01/30/08 08:12 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
KYBOY KYBOY trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 3374 Loc: East, Kentucky	J I agree on the 330's. I know I have pics of bad leather marks from 330's. The worst isnt from belisles, its from weak 330's that dont kill beaver and they end fighting the trap. Now that causes real damage. Im not saying I did it right but I have one snared beaver in the shed(3/32, cam-lock) thats has the biggest pretty white line ever was right across the middle. 6' snare with a mid snare swivel. Im sure the cam-lock was the major cause of that though. I dont have a dog on this tree but i have to say a buddy of mine sent thirty some odd beaver to NAFA a few years ago that were all snared and almost every one graded damaged. Maybe he used to aggresive a lock, I dont know??? _________________________ Take life by the throat, then choke it until it spits up what you want!
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#551784 - 01/30/08 08:27 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: KYBOY]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7362 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Take a piece of 1x19 5/64 and rub it, then rub a piece of 3/32 with your finger, you'll figure it out on your own then. The 5/64 is real smooth compared to the coarse feeling 3/32. Im just doing adc work so 3/32 works for me BUT if I was snaring them for fur id go to 5/64 after what ive seen the past week. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#551790 - 01/30/08 08:30 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
KYBOY KYBOY trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 3374 Loc: East, Kentucky	5/64 1x19 or 5/64 7x7 J? _________________________ Take life by the throat, then choke it until it spits up what you want!
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#551795 - 01/30/08 08:31 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: KYBOY]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7362 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	1 x 19 _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#551798 - 01/30/08 08:32 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
KYBOY KYBOY trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 3374 Loc: East, Kentucky	Hmm, ok..Thanks. Does it load and hold it loop ok? _________________________ Take life by the throat, then choke it until it spits up what you want!
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#551881 - 01/30/08 09:16 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: KYBOY]
ADC ADC trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 4444 Loc: Iowa	Thanks J, that's the kind of info that can really help out. It helps confirm my reccomendations for a "universal" snare as well. ~ADC~ _________________________ All new site ---> Iowa Trappers Talk
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#551894 - 01/30/08 09:25 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ADC]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7362 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	I don't know KY, his weren't loaded. Where's Newt's sorry butt when ya need him? lol. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#551950 - 01/30/08 09:54 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
Billfrank Billfrank trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 1184 Loc: TEXAS	Snarem by the tail.......... _________________________
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#551951 - 01/30/08 09:54 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
BeavBGone BeavBGone trapper Registered: 12/07/07 Posts: 205 Loc: northern MN	Don, Gibb, If the beaver is snared around the neck would a slight snare mark really hurt? I relize body caught beaver with a snare mark will be graded slt damaged or damaged, but if most of buzzards are neck caught I wouldnt think that that would be as bad. I dont set snares for beaver anymore except under the ice and even then you can see a slight snare line, although not bad enough to be down graded. And yes somtimes you get a 330 mark even with strong traps, although when it is right behind the ears I cant say that I get docked for it at nafa. _________________________ tcsnare@citlink.net
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#552084 - 01/30/08 11:03 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Butch.]
woodsmoke woodsmoke trapper Registered: 10/07/07 Posts: 155 Loc: eastern N,C.	Imade up a few live poles out of rebar and washers as i had nothing to stake to close by(within 15')6'exten.cable and a 5/64 short snare dbbl.swiveled no damadge this one on land same snare setup but secured to stump in water and one swivel(no damadge) give them cable,at least 10' ;)woodsmoke
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#552171 - 01/31/08 05:56 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Geezerman Geezerman trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 4260 Loc: Allen County, Indiana	Quote: One of the biggest problems I see besides the snare damage is the fighting that beaver do. seems a live beaver in a snare, attracts all his old enimies. I see a lot more bites from people that sell me beaver that are live snared. Gotta agree with Don here, I dry land snared a couple beaver and they got tore up by other beavers. Heck the one was still there attacking the snared one when I came to check my line. I set a drowner there instead of that snare and next morning he was doing some extended under water diving LOL I used 3/32 cable, but thats because I just use it for everything, beaver, coon, yotes and fox. I know theres better cable size for the variety, but instead of having 3 or 4 different sizes I just go with one standard. But then again I'm no beaver expert, I'd go by what Buzz and Jackie say, they see more beaver in a week then I do all year I'm sure _________________________ I'm just a bitter, small town midwestern , gun in one hand and bible in the other leprechan $\:\)$
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#552201 - 01/31/08 06:45 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Geezerman]
Newt Newt trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 1179 Loc: Port Republic NJ/ ChocowinityN...	Don said "ifin ya want to ruin a good beaver, by all means , dry land snare the sucker" That sounds like you are go'n to totaly ruin ever beaver thats dry land snared.From what I gather You dont like Snared coon eather. I'm just glad that I dont have Don or Jim grading my fur.I get good grades on both SNARED Beaver and SNARED Coon . 1x19 loads easer than 7x7. and WILL hold a round loop better. Its faster too. No zipper. I'v been useing it for years. ADC altho I dont have them HUGE coon you got in IOWA where #9Ga. swivels and 3/32" 7x7 are a MUST. I'll take 1/16" 1x19 cable for a all around snare. You wont catch too many Gray Fox in 5/64' 1x19. _________________________ Newt ------------------OVER--------------- http://www.snareone.com
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#552209 - 01/31/08 06:58 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Newt]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Interesting Newt, why not tell everyone how you do it. Buzz, no one out right called you Dumb. Beavers caught right behind the ears would be ok. Hard to see the snare line in a green beaver pelt unless cut right into the leather. I am very glad I do not have to buy green fur. We receive 1000s of coon body snared that grade out as slights. Cheers Jim Edited by gibb (01/31/08 07:00 AM)
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#552219 - 01/31/08 07:08 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
CoonDuke CoonDuke trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 286 Loc: PA	But now what fun would be grabbing a drowned beaver by the tail...LOL. $\:D$ Great thread fellas. Very interesting! _________________________ PTA Life ~ NCTA ~ NTA ~ FTA ~ NRA
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#552236 - 01/31/08 07:25 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: CoonDuke]
Newt Newt trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 1179 Loc: Port Republic NJ/ ChocowinityN...	Gibb asked "Interesting Newt, why not tell everyone how you do it." Answer- Dont send them up to the big aution houses. I now sell at a local auction.I still have otter and rats up in NAFA. I sent them up to be SOLD,NOT HOLD. (I know Jim your with FHA) I DONT caare what the High is I dont care what the Low is. ITS the adverage that counts.AND whatts tak'n out of my check. As for snares I use eather 1/16" or 5/64' 1x19 with a Slim Lock. MOST beavers Dont fight hard. _________________________ Newt ------------------OVER--------------- http://www.snareone.com
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#552242 - 01/31/08 07:29 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Butch.]
Deerehunter03 Deerehunter03 trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 268 Loc: Marshallville Ohio / Curently ...	the ones i have ever seen snared on land havent been bad and i work for a fur buyer. and i also trap for them. _________________________ "Don't be afraid to go after what you want to do, and what you want to be. But don't be afraid to be willing to pay the price." Tuff Hedeman
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#552309 - 01/31/08 08:14 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Deerehunter03]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Newt, I agree with you 100%. The real average is the true measure for a trapper. Question for you trappers, Why would a respected fur buyer with many years in the buisness and someone who works for an auction house both tell you the same thing? I gain nothing by telling you the truth. Cheers Jim
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#552322 - 01/31/08 08:24 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
The Beav The Beav trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 777 Loc: Wisconsin	It seems to me when I read my auction results It tells me my highs amd It tells me my lows And It also tells me my AVERAGE so what's the difference between that and selling In the country. At least in the acution print out It grades each and every piece of fur. When you go to the country buyer you get 3 or 4 piles of fur with no explantion on why just a monetary figure. And then ther Is that pile that has no value and In most cases the unwary seller lets that fur buyer take It for nothing . Most trappers don't understand how even slight damage effects the fur during the dressing process.
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#552378 - 01/31/08 09:11 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Gary I must be a real oddball in the fur bussiness. Just last night I had 2 coonhunters that came to my shop. One had never been here before. As I was grading the coon, I asked him to come stand next to me as I graded his fur. I board size all my coons, so the fellas can see the length of their coons. As I was grading his fur, I explained to him the quality , size and why each coon was thrown in it's respective pile. When I was done grading his coon I asked if he had any more questions about his grade and sizes. He once again wanted me to show him why I had paid 1.50 each on 2 xx sow coons. I then grabbed the 2 coon in question and grabbed a good furred coon and explained to him why the 2 big sow coon had been downgraded so badly. Both of thses coon were what I called suckling sow coon. They had big nipples and no fur, just guard hair on them. I then began to show him how the big sow coons did not have the nice silky underfur the other coons had. I also explained to him about the little whiteish looking guard hairs that extended all the way to the leather. I also explained to him about the leather being black and how the coon was robbed of it's protein from having the young to late in the season. The 2 coon I threw out will grade no more than a no. III and more than likly a IV. The price on these coon to me will probably be anywhere from a buck to three bucks. Maybe a bit more ifin the buyers are real hungary for coon this yr. It is going to cost me a 1.50 to get the coons scraped and then my time boarding and removing the coons. I will make absolutly no money on those coon. He also had a very very small coon that mught stretch out as big as a xl rat. He received 50 cents for that coon. If the coon has any kind of holes in it, it will be worthless to me. If it happens to be a good coon, I might get a buck or so from it. So as you see all buyers don't just throw coon in their respective piles and pay for them. I like my trappers and hunters to know what their fur is like as far as quality and size is concerned. Each and every piece of fur I throw out of a lot, whether it be in the grease or a fine finished pelt, will have an explanation to it. I know my fur and I darn sure ain'tafraid to show people what it is all about when grading the stuff.
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#552411 - 01/31/08 09:36 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Newt ifin ya read my post through, you will see that I said[ not every beaver you dryland snare is bad} Geesh you guys only read what you want to read sometimes. Newt, as a rule of thumb, I do not like snared coon. Let us say this,. Newt I know from what I hear, that you are an expert at snaring. I do not doubt that you can put a snare on an animal and not damage the critter. I will go one step further and add Buzzard to your class of snare men. I don't know if you can or if you can't stop snare damage, I have never seen any of your pelts in the grease or finished, so I can't say yae or nay. There are professionals in the world that can work wonders with tools, I suspect you and Buz. are each very professional. But let us say just for giggles here, that a lot of readers on this site are looking at this thread about snaring. 95% of these people will never reach the status that you and Buz. have reached in your snaring abilities. So let us go to the next step here. This is supposed to be an informational site, is it not? Well then what we might be doing is giving a lot of people the wrong idea about snaring animals. Just cause you can do it correct, does not mean that the average Joe in the field can do it the same way. I see way to much damage from snares, to tell all the trappers on this forum to just go out and set snares and every thing will be ok. That is false. Snaring takes a very special ability to do correct. If you are going to be a snareman or woman, then by all means do it correct.
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#552421 - 01/31/08 09:40 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	BeaverBgone, to answer your question about neck snared beaver. No the neck snare is not likly to damage the beaver. It just depends on how many times he has crossed under the cable and drug it acrossed his back and how many times another beaver has attacked him, as to how much damage there is to his pelt.
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#552557 - 01/31/08 10:50 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
The Beav The Beav trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 777 Loc: Wisconsin	Don you are the exception. Groney got his selling hole so high above the ground you can't even see your fur once you throw It up there. No individual grading there. Three piles and the out pile.
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#552661 - 01/31/08 12:19 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
SNIPERBBB SNIPERBBB trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 1289 Loc: Rodney,Ohio	Originally Posted By: don Wolf ...It just depends on how many times he has crossed under the cable and drug it acrossed his back ... Most of that needs explanation methinks. _________________________
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#552662 - 01/31/08 12:22 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Quote: But let us say just for giggles here, that a lot of readers on this site are looking at this thread about snaring. 95% of these people will never reach the status that you and Buz. have reached in your snaring abilities. So let us go to the next step here. This is supposed to be an informational site, is it not? Well then what we might be doing is giving a lot of people the wrong idea about snaring animals. Just cause you can do it correct, does not mean that the average Joe in the field can do it the same way. I see way to much damage from snares, to tell all the trappers on this forum to just go out and set snares and every thing will be ok. That is false. Snaring takes a very special ability to do correct. If you are going to be a snareman or woman, then by all means do it correct. Part of that statement I could argue(me.....lol) but the jest of it, I cant.......very well done Mr Wolf. ( And no, you dont get a lollypop either $\:\)$ ) _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#552695 - 01/31/08 12:51 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Ahh now it's Mr. Wolf is it. And what the heck ya mean I don't get no lolipop! I have gotten very few lolipops im my life Buzzard and I really don't care for them. The stuff I talk about on here is from personal experience, things I have seen in my bussiness as a furbuyer and as a trapper. Anyway Buzzard, that is what makes us individuals. Like I said before, I have not seen your fur nor Newts fur and chances are, I never will. So who am I to say that your beaver has any kind of snare damage on them. I sallute you Sir, if you have found a way to not have snare damage. The only way it remotely works for me is the drowning device. I am trying to figure a way to get coons down the drowners , with snares on them also.
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#552723 - 01/31/08 01:06 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	I could call you....... Sir Donald Wolf.......lol I can say the same I guess........snaring beaver over 300 days a year for better than 10 years gains a person a little lattitude in the experience field I guess. Naw, I doubt you will see any of my beaver but ya may see a grey fox, theres one w/ your name on it in the shed, or at least what the coyotes left of it that is. BTW, personal question......you once said that you wouldnt set for a beaver unless you could drive to it, why use a snare and not a foothold when theres not much walkin envolved ? _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#552739 - 01/31/08 01:16 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Sliprig Sliprig trapper Registered: 09/18/07 Posts: 10 Loc: Southeast, Indiana	Interesting thread, Don care to share your drowning rig?
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#553509 - 01/31/08 06:52 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Sliprig]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Buzzard the reason for a snare instead of a foothold is, thieves. I live in a pretty heavy population area.
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#553515 - 01/31/08 06:53 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	a drawing of my drowning rig. Instead of rebar, I use 3/8 cold roll 1018 steel. If you want to use rebar I suggest going to 1/2 in. Edited by don Wolf (01/31/08 06:55 PM)
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#553518 - 01/31/08 06:56 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Chisholm Trapper Chisholm Trapper trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 869 Loc: Northern On. CANADA	In the end its the Buyers and the graders that have the last say and i think their opinion matters most, at least when your check comes it does. Luke _________________________
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#553616 - 01/31/08 07:35 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Chisholm Trapper]
Newt Newt trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 1179 Loc: Port Republic NJ/ ChocowinityN...	Buzzard said "why use a snare and not a foothold when theres not much walkin envolved ?" Altho this question was not directed to me. My answer would be. Snares "to me" are the fastest and easy'st way to catch a beaver. When otters were bringing $100 or more, than what they were worth. I set a lot of body grips.Just by chance on getting that extra otter. Now with otters back down where they are suposed to be .I set mostly snares for beaver. I dont even own what most trappers would call a "Beaver Foot Hold" Dont get me wrong.I will set for a otter on good sign. Don, I guess I did jump the gun on you. But I get mad here'n people down'n snares all the time. WHEN they dont know what they are talk'n about. _________________________ Newt ------------------OVER--------------- http://www.snareone.com
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#553697 - 01/31/08 08:08 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Newt]
Chisholm Trapper Chisholm Trapper trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 869 Loc: Northern On. CANADA	Originally Posted By: Newt Don, I guess I did jump the gun on you. But I get mad here'n people down'n snares all the time. WHEN they dont know what they are talk'n about. I dont think anyone is downing snares in general, the topic is Live beavers in snares. I use them under the ice, theres at best a white line on the pelt.. And i live in Ontario, snares and soft catch are our only option for k9s and the snares work great...i have nothing against snares but i am against UNNECESSARY pelt damage. Luke _________________________
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#554138 - 01/31/08 11:34 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Chisholm Trapper]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Newt my sincere apology about me making you think I was downing snares. I love snares. I sure as heck would never down them. I just think, if you use them, use them in the correct fashion. I, me, myself and I and only myself,l no others included in this statement, do not know how to use a snare on dry land for catching beaver and raccoon without having some sort of snare damage on them. I tried a new typ lock this yr. on raccoon, because a good friend , told me that I would not be able to find my snared coon amongst my foot trapped coon. I could tell very easy which were snared and the ones that were not snared. I will say this about the lock, it did help a good bit. I may have a learning curve to go through yet, I do not know if that is the case yet or not. I have caught beaver on dry land and did not like my results. To put it simply, I guess I just don't know what I am doing. Hail to the Kings of snaring!
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#554353 - 02/01/08 08:00 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Trappn' Clown Trappn' Clown trapper Registered: 01/04/07 Posts: 421 Loc: virginia	snares catch me animals i otherwise would be unable to easily capture. i use a long extention cable to tie off, some are tangled on the bank and some are in the water swimming. _________________________ "no where to be found"
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#554386 - 02/01/08 08:21 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake]
coon scat coon scat trapper Registered: 01/19/08 Posts: 239 Loc: Kentucky	i cant catch nothin with snares _________________________ KILLEM ALL AND LET GOD SORTEM OUT!!! GUN CONTROL IS HITTING YOUR TARGET!!!
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#554802 - 02/01/08 12:43 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: coon scat]
Sliprig Sliprig trapper Registered: 09/18/07 Posts: 10 Loc: Southeast, Indiana	Thanks Don, I picked-up 5 10ft lenghts of 1/2 rod cheap this week. Looks like I've got some welding to do. Plan on getting double duty out of them next year.
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