Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: don Wolf]
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01/30/08 08:49 AM
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don, You must have wimmpy and weak beaver where you come from. I just dont seem to have that problem in the 5 states where I have Live Snared beaver. Sure once in a great while I might get some slight damage. But I'm sure once in a great while you will get some slight damage out of a trap too.
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: TrapperJake]
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01/30/08 10:46 AM
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Newt as a furbuyer I see a lot of snare damage on beaver. One of the biggest problems I see besides the snare damage is the fighting that beaver do. seems a live beaver in a snare, attracts all his old enimies. I see a lot more bites from people that sell me beaver that are live snared. I may buy wimpy beaver, but, funny thing, all the beaver I catch in snares that are drowned, have 90% less damage on them. They have a very faint white line from the snare, where as most that are caught in live snares have a dark red cable line with occasional clear spots on them from the locks. I also see a lot of cable striping on the fur part. These are places the beaver has had the cable slide acrossed his fur and actually cut or break the guard hair and even pull underfur out of the beaver. Newt you must remember, Sir, you are an expert snare man. Not every body has your expertise. I am sure you have been through all this stuff at one time or the other and have learned special ways of avoiding the damage that a snare can cause a beaver.
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: don Wolf]
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01/30/08 10:55 AM
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I'm with Don on this one. I watched that Beaver DVD and a beaver caught In a live snare was one wild critter. I would also think that those snare marks would realy show up In the tanning procses as weak points. I've seen that In coon hides after tanning.
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: The Beav]
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: The Beav]
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Gary I don't think that a lot of trappers know what snare damage on a beaver is. It not only comes from the cable, in the form of a cable line on the hide, but as I said, it also causes vast amts. of fur damage, that you and I know from looking at big quantities of fur. Next time you talk to Greg, ask if he knows where any big bunches of snared beaver are at in the shop. Look at those beaver very close and inspect the amt. of fur damage that you will see on the pelt. I know you know what I am talking about. The sad thing of it is, the beaver damage them self as bad as a coon does in a snare. I had a fella give me 50 new locks to try on coons this yr. He told me that I would not be able to tell the snared coon from the trapped coon. well you guessed it,you can still tell the difference. Granted the snare line on the coon was not nearly as bad as the old locks I was using, but it was still a visible line on the leather. It did have a much lighter appearance to it though. No real bad red marks but still had a very faint red outline around the white line the snare produced.
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
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01/30/08 04:10 PM
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According to Dale Billingsley if you use a long enough snare to allow them access to the water and land the damage is minimized.
Don is it possible the people you bought off of were using the wrong snares or methods? They are not all equal you know. I don't finish my beavers here so I can't say one way or the other on damage but perhaps there is more to it than just saying "all beavers snared on land will be damaged". ???
I sell mine just skinned out and haven't ever gotten docked by my buyer but I don't snare very many either, low population here.
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Re: Beavers held live in snares?
[Re: gibb]
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01/30/08 04:20 PM
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Buzz yes some beaver that are snare on land will not be damaged, lots of things will come into play size of cable, length of time in the snare, entanglement and lots of other factors. Bottom line for most trappers that do not know how to do it right is going to be a damaged beaver. Cheers Jim Can you tell us the "right" way? Personally I use non-entanglement sets, positive locking snares of 3/32" diameter. This combination I assume works the same on beaver as coons in that it rides atop the fur some rather than cutting through the fur breaking guard hairs and bruising the leather side of the pelt. It wouldn't however allow all the beavers to access to the water every time which could lead to damage from attacks by other critters and other beaver as well.... Fill us in here, it's a learning forum after all. ~ADC~
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