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#549291 - 01/29/08 07:10 PM Beavers held live in snares?
TrapperJake TrapperJake trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 699 Loc: SW Illinois - 25	I see a lot of pictures of beavers held live in snares usually sitting on the bank, high and dry. I'll be trapping a shallow lake, with few spots to drown a beaver. Even in the spots with 4' water, I'm still not sure I can get a snared beaver to drown. What's everyones thoughts on this? I know you can wire a snare off to a nearby tree, but if there isn't one big enough, close enough, can they be just cross or long staked? (soil is pretty solid) _________________________ "Take MEEEEE, Bill Tyler!!!"
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#549304 - 01/29/08 07:15 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7362 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	I make extension's for my snares 6-10 ft. and just stake down with a 2 ft. rebar stake, in loose ground a berkshire works fine. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#550029 - 01/30/08 12:02 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	ifin ya want to ruin a good beaver, by all means , dry land snare the sucker. If the lock don't ruin him , he will be full of cable stripes. I never set a snare for a beaver unless I put the snare on a drowning rod. If you have deep enough water nearby, them make you a castor mound set. The beaver will find it. I make them come to me, I don't chase after them.
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#550185 - 01/30/08 06:49 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Newt Newt trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 1179 Loc: Port Republic NJ/ ChocowinityN...	don, You must have wimmpy and weak beaver where you come from. I just dont seem to have that problem in the 5 states where I have Live Snared beaver. Sure once in a great while I might get some slight damage. But I'm sure once in a great while you will get some slight damage out of a trap too. _________________________ Newt ------------------OVER--------------- http://www.snareone.com
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#550214 - 01/30/08 07:26 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Newt]
TrapperJake TrapperJake trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 699 Loc: SW Illinois - 25	Thanks for the replies so far. Newt, How about some staking ideas? Don, this will be mostly a 'damage control job'. They guy wants to shoot them (with his 270), but offered to give me a couple weeks to get as many out of there as I can. I'm not sure I can afford to pass up a lot of sets. My guess is that a 270 might do more damage than cable marks. _________________________ "Take MEEEEE, Bill Tyler!!!"
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#550303 - 01/30/08 08:46 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Newt as a furbuyer I see a lot of snare damage on beaver. One of the biggest problems I see besides the snare damage is the fighting that beaver do. seems a live beaver in a snare, attracts all his old enimies. I see a lot more bites from people that sell me beaver that are live snared. I may buy wimpy beaver, but, funny thing, all the beaver I catch in snares that are drowned, have 90% less damage on them. They have a very faint white line from the snare, where as most that are caught in live snares have a dark red cable line with occasional clear spots on them from the locks. I also see a lot of cable striping on the fur part. These are places the beaver has had the cable slide acrossed his fur and actually cut or break the guard hair and even pull underfur out of the beaver. Newt you must remember, Sir, you are an expert snare man. Not every body has your expertise. I am sure you have been through all this stuff at one time or the other and have learned special ways of avoiding the damage that a snare can cause a beaver.
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#550306 - 01/30/08 08:48 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Trapper Jake, where do you live in So Ill.? I could use some beaver .
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#550318 - 01/30/08 08:55 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
The Beav The Beav trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 777 Loc: Wisconsin	I'm with Don on this one. I watched that Beaver DVD and a beaver caught In a live snare was one wild critter. I would also think that those snare marks would realy show up In the tanning procses as weak points. I've seen that In coon hides after tanning.
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#550324 - 01/30/08 09:02 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav]
TrapperJake TrapperJake trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 699 Loc: SW Illinois - 25	PM to ya, Don. _________________________ "Take MEEEEE, Bill Tyler!!!"
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#550340 - 01/30/08 09:16 AM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Gary I don't think that a lot of trappers know what snare damage on a beaver is. It not only comes from the cable, in the form of a cable line on the hide, but as I said, it also causes vast amts. of fur damage, that you and I know from looking at big quantities of fur. Next time you talk to Greg, ask if he knows where any big bunches of snared beaver are at in the shop. Look at those beaver very close and inspect the amt. of fur damage that you will see on the pelt. I know you know what I am talking about. The sad thing of it is, the beaver damage them self as bad as a coon does in a snare. I had a fella give me 50 new locks to try on coons this yr. He told me that I would not be able to tell the snared coon from the trapped coon. well you guessed it,you can still tell the difference. Granted the snare line on the coon was not nearly as bad as the old locks I was using, but it was still a visible line on the leather. It did have a much lighter appearance to it though. No real bad red marks but still had a very faint red outline around the white line the snare produced.
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#550591 - 01/30/08 12:01 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Hmmmmmm, Nafa has sold perhaps 1000 live snared beaver for me thru the years, its interesting that I havent been docked for it. Aint gonna argue the point, just keep on snarin and shippin......lol _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550630 - 01/30/08 12:21 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Hm NAFA has sold tens of thousands of beaver for me over the years, and I know I have been docked for it. Forst thing ya need to know is how to understand the grade on NAFa beaver. I have stood right by the graders side and watched beaver being graded that belonged to me. I know what and why they are being graded damaged and slt and slt. damaged for. Anybody that don't think their beaver for the most part are not downgraded because of snare damage is kidding them self. Mind you, I don't say that every beaver has snare damage. The ones that are dry land snared have way more damage than the ones that are caught in traps or drowned in snares. In other words Buz. most of your beaver never have any damage to them. funny thing I buy snared beaver constantly and see damage from snares. I sure as heck would not tell my trappers they had damage if thery didn't have damage. NAFa is the place I learned to grade fur Buzz. I spent many many hours with graders on all typs of fur, in the learning process.
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#550633 - 01/30/08 12:22 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Ain't no argument to it, I know what I am talking about.
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#550661 - 01/30/08 12:37 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Must be folk in Indiana dont know much bout snarin........lol Sorry Don, just had to. _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550777 - 01/30/08 01:57 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Snaring beaver on land = damaged beaver. Cheers Jim
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#550779 - 01/30/08 02:00 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	thats why I dont ship to FHA anymore......... _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550788 - 01/30/08 02:07 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Just to be argumentative, even tho I said I wouldnt....... Here's a $38.00 North Carolina beaver from a couple of years ago.....while it wasnt intentionally land snared, it did end up on land, 1/8 cable to boot. Sorry guys, I dont buy it _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550793 - 01/30/08 02:09 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Call it what you want but beaver snare on land= damage Cheers Jim
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#550794 - 01/30/08 02:10 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
ADC ADC trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 4444 Loc: Iowa	According to Dale Billingsley if you use a long enough snare to allow them access to the water and land the damage is minimized. Don is it possible the people you bought off of were using the wrong snares or methods? They are not all equal you know. I don't finish my beavers here so I can't say one way or the other on damage but perhaps there is more to it than just saying "all beavers snared on land will be damaged". ??? I sell mine just skinned out and haven't ever gotten docked by my buyer but I don't snare very many either, low population here. ~ADC~ _________________________ All new site ---> Iowa Trappers Talk
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#550801 - 01/30/08 02:14 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Buzz yes some beaver that are snare on land will not be damaged, lots of things will come into play size of cable, length of time in the snare, entanglement and lots of other factors. Bottom line for most trappers that do not know how to do it right is going to be a damaged beaver. Cheers Jim
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#550804 - 01/30/08 02:20 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
ADC ADC trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 4444 Loc: Iowa	Originally Posted By: gibb Buzz yes some beaver that are snare on land will not be damaged, lots of things will come into play size of cable, length of time in the snare, entanglement and lots of other factors. Bottom line for most trappers that do not know how to do it right is going to be a damaged beaver. Cheers Jim Can you tell us the "right" way? Personally I use non-entanglement sets, positive locking snares of 3/32" diameter. This combination I assume works the same on beaver as coons in that it rides atop the fur some rather than cutting through the fur breaking guard hairs and bruising the leather side of the pelt. It wouldn't however allow all the beavers to access to the water every time which could lead to damage from attacks by other critters and other beaver as well.... Fill us in here, it's a learning forum after all. $;\)$ ~ADC~ _________________________ All new site ---> Iowa Trappers Talk
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#550856 - 01/30/08 02:51 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ADC]
TrapperJake TrapperJake trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 699 Loc: SW Illinois - 25	..and I'm learning. Great discussion, guys, from both sides. insert popcorn eating smiley here _________________________ "Take MEEEEE, Bill Tyler!!!"
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#550884 - 01/30/08 03:10 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Honestly almost impossible to prevent damage unless of course you snare them under the ice and prevent the beaver from getting any air. Cheers Jim
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#550895 - 01/30/08 03:16 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	heck Gibb........330's do just as much damage and them nasty canadian beliles are the worst. I got some pics to go find.........perfect no-line snared beaver, a foot hold couldnt do it this good......lol _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550908 - 01/30/08 03:21 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	here ya go Gibb........NO SNARE LINE......... $\:\)$ _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550938 - 01/30/08 03:31 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake]
Bigfoot Bigfoot trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 155 Loc: central Missouri	Several years ago I snared quite a few beaver . I had the least damage using short 1/8 "snares with a universal swivel and an extension . All of our beaver snares have to be set in waterso most beaver had access to water wich I think helps .some beaver would tangle on the bank and these I would see more damage . In high populations or on really good traveling nights I would get alot of fresh bites one even killed with 49 different bites . With several feet of cable there isn't any reason you can't stake your sets like J said . they arn,t that hard to stake down and a little entanglement goes a long way .
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#550947 - 01/30/08 03:36 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Buzz, body snared beaver on land equals damage. Sent up your body snared beaver and I will have the beaver grader go through them. Beaver snared on dry land by the body will grade out to be either 2nd cut of damaged or the bottom end for hatters. I just looked at a bunch of beaver that are dryland snare by the body and everyone has damage. Question how do you dispatch a dry land beaver. Cheers Jim
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#550965 - 01/30/08 03:44 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	First off.......most of my beaver are neck snared, rare is the day that I have the snare behind one leg, hardly ever two. a 22 in the head normally is my way of dispatch, unless Im in the city and then its a pop on the noggin. _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550972 - 01/30/08 03:46 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Bigfoot]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Thanks a million Gibb. Now it looks like there is two of us that don't know what we are talking about. Funny thing, you and I see more beaver in a month that most of these guys will see in a lifetime. I also stated, that not every beaver you catch will be damaged if land snared. I put all my snares on drowners and still get a slt. bit of damage occasionaly. Not only do you get lock damage, but everytime that cable slides acrossed the beaver, it might be breaking the guard hairs or putting a cable stripe on the beaver. If you know what you are looking at when looking at beaver fur, you will be able to tell what a small clip or a small wire stripe looks like.
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#550976 - 01/30/08 03:47 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
johnsd16 johnsd16 trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 646 Loc: MN, bus stop-25	I brought 5 green beaver to Groney, 3 snared and 2 from 330s. These were Nov. MN beaver, so not as good as they will be, but he didn't say anything and I couldn't see damage on the fur side. All three were live and two were held in the water only, no access to land, and the other was held on land. I've have been told that spring beaver have longer guard hair that will be succeptable to more obvious snare damage. We'll see in April.
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#550983 - 01/30/08 03:48 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Only thing Don.....my fur check says differently, even you cant argue w/ that _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#550984 - 01/30/08 03:48 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	Once again Buzz it ain;t always the lock that damages the beaver. Neck snared or not, you will still get cable damage.
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#550990 - 01/30/08 03:50 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	But Buzz just think what that check might say if it was not for the snare damage.
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#551003 - 01/30/08 03:55 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Y'all are too much.......your sayin Don that NAFA throws a blind eye to my beaver in their grading ? I guess if their that stupid, Im just stupid enough to keep send them my damaged and/or hatter beaver. Edited by Buzzard (01/30/08 03:56 PM) _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#551010 - 01/30/08 03:59 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	BTW Gibb, Does FHA still send out them profet sharin checks........aint got one in several years , but I have moved since then _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#551028 - 01/30/08 04:07 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Buzz we sent them out this year. pm me your address. Cheers Jim
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#551033 - 01/30/08 04:10 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb]
gibb gibb trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 83 Loc: North Bay Ontario FHA	Food for thought, NAFA best beaver grader works for us now. Cheers Jim
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#551075 - 01/30/08 04:34 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf]
ADC ADC trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 4444 Loc: Iowa	Originally Posted By: don Wolf Thanks a million Gibb. Now it looks like there is two of us that don't know what we are talking about. Funny thing, you and I see more beaver in a month that most of these guys will see in a lifetime. I also stated, that not every beaver you catch will be damaged if land snared. Awfully defencive there Don. LOL What I want to know is does it matter what snares or methods of live snaring a person uses? I already know it matters on coon ALOT. So I'm assuming there are ways to limit at least, if not eliminate, damage from the snares. There may be ways of limiting the bites as well. How about you try to shed some light on anything people can try? ~ADC~ _________________________ All new site ---> Iowa Trappers Talk
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#551471 - 01/30/08 06:51 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ADC]
Buzzard Buzzard trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 5263 Loc: Caswell County,NC	Food for thought Gibb, Fh has never paid the trapper what Nafa does.......$$ in my wallet is what counts. In retrospect, this thread has taught a many folk the reality of somethings.......Im a hore when it comes to my fur , its a big part of my life as well as my livelyhood. If one was to look back at this thread, a snared beaver in which brought me $38.00 from Nafa would have been tossed into the damaged or hatter market at FH. Don Wolf has gone on public forum in the past year sayin that North Carolina fur is flat and worth much less than his local Indiana fur. Something is amiss here........especially when these two fine folk mention and insinuate that Im dumb and they know better than I when it comes to my fur......sorry boys, I dont buy it ! _________________________ James Lord is my hero !
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#551592 - 01/30/08 07:30 PM Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Buzzard]
Butch. Butch. trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 956 Loc: Dahlonega, Georgia	Originally Posted By: Buzzard heck Gibb........330's do just as much damage and them nasty canadian beliles are the worst. Buzz have you actually seen were belisle traps have damaged beaver or otter or is this something that you heard? I have taken a pile of beaver and a handfull of otter in belisle traps the last 3-4 years and not once have seen any fur damage at all what so ever. Heck i take afew muskrats in them every year usually wacked at the hips and i have not had them damage them either?
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