#107282 - 02/24/07 04:52 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: takotna]
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Moosecaller
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Registered: 02/06/07
Posts: 80
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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nice pic, corey. i like your beard
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#107786 - 02/24/07 10:16 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Moosecaller]
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otterman
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1504
Loc: SW Alaska
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nice catch guloboy
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#107799 - 02/24/07 10:26 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: takotna]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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gulo : Glad to see you had another good year. Also glad you mentioned letting the line rest in regards to the female take. I hope others realize how important that is ( imo ) .
S.E.W : You ought to chat with the husband / wife team - they know their stuff.
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#107879 - 02/25/07 12:42 AM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
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martentrapper
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 479
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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OK, Piper, why is it important to let the line rest?
Gulo took 8 wolverine, just over half being female.
Gulo, were those all adult females? How about the males?
Adult female wolverine are pregnant when they enter the trapping season. Younger ones would not be.
How many miles of line did those 8 wolverine come from? Were there other trappers, other wolverine taken, near you? How about sign at the end of the season? Were there still tracks of wolverine you didn't catch?
What sort of prey is in the area? Small game? Large game?
I think there are many factors to consider when considering letting a line rest. Just because a certain number of females were taken doesn't necessarily mean you over harvested your area.
Letting a line rest assumes that the animal species your "resting" will repopulate in your absense. Not always the case. There is much more at play in our trapping country than just us trappers.
mt
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#109069 - 02/25/07 06:18 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: martentrapper]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Martentrapper : Many of the points you mention are all considerations when determining whether to let a line rest. I am no expert/authority on anything. I simply choose to err on the conservative side when taking a large number in a given season - especially if several are female. I have the advantage of being able to survey my area by air, thereby determining population numbers to a degree. After once taking nine in a season , I definitely saw less tracks the following year. Did that mean anything, or would others have moved in from adjacent areas - dammed if I know. It's just my personal belief based on my experience and I'm not trying to convince anyone else. However, I strongly believe it doesn't take a lot to hurt them.
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#109868 - 02/26/07 02:16 AM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Kusko]
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wilsonjr
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 151
Loc: Kenny Lake, Alaska
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Great bunch of fur. Quick though...sell the fur before the sled and traps have to go with it; I know how those septic systems can climb in importance.
That's the first time I've heard the word 'refugia' before. I better go find a dictionary.
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#111673 - 02/27/07 02:25 AM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: guloboy]
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martentrapper
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 479
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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When does it end now, gulo? Don't have a reg book handy tonite?
I would have a hard time believing that anyone using strictly coni's can put a serious dent in their wolverine pop. There's just too many that won't go in one, in my experience.
Refugia is any area that isn't hunted or trapped by humans. Without refugia, us greedy humans kill every critter in the area.......or at least some would say so.
mt
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#112239 - 02/27/07 01:14 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: martentrapper]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Martentrapper : Your experience appears to be similar to Whites. He wont use buckets with coni's due to his experience with them. With foot holds, he feels if they are near his bait he will get them. My experience with elevated bucket sets is the same as with his foot holds. If they are near the bucket ( I am usually setting on their tracks ) you will almost always get them. That is why I am very careful in not wanting to hurt them. Not a lot of extensive info on wolverine, although the couple doing the study in Petersburg have done some good stuff. I have found some of the research is subject to different variables. With big drainages and abundant feed, there are sometimes more animals in a given area they some would think and their travel distances appear to be a lot less than some of the research suggests. Feed appears to be the factor in these cases. Time of year might also influence travel distances. Fun to be able to observe their habits and learn more about them. Great topic- keep it up.
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#112359 - 02/27/07 02:43 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
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martentrapper
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 479
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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Well this is supposed to be a "lynx" thread.
For most of us, weasther, snow conditions, etc, etc, limit just how much time and effort we can put into our trapline. I'm skeptical that just catching a certain number of wolverine means you may have overharvested your country. Your example of seeing less tracks after catching nine isn't very relavent in my mind, as seeing tracks from an airplane is so dependant on several variables. Since I'm familiar with what an airplane can and can't do, I'm also skeptical that an airplane trapper can really cover his area well, with sets. An airplane trapper is limited to where he can safely land. Even if you catch every wolverine that hits your sets, your just not going to get enough sets out to overharvest your wolverine pop.
Even if a guy does overharvest at some level, sooner or later, other factors that effect our lives will most likely cause that trapper to do something different on his line, such as Gulo concentrating on lynx this year.
A "healthy" ecosystem is constantly changing. The idea that there should always be X number of every species, or a "minimum" number is not natural in my view. Sure, I'd want to be able to get a certain number of every species if I could, and if I trapped the same area every year. But what we want, and what nature provides, are rarely the same.
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#113501 - 02/27/07 09:50 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: martentrapper]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Martentrapper : Like I said - not an authority and not trying to convince anyone. So, is anybody besides Gulo catching lynx ?
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#113647 - 02/28/07 12:12 AM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Gator Jr.]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Gator jr. : Good for you. You and Gulo sure did well. We are all jealous.
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#114165 - 02/28/07 12:41 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Kusko]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Kusko : I think foot holds and snares are the best for lynx. Gulo and Gator jr. are far more qualified to comment on that . However, have Mike R. tell you how he showed a novice the bucket sets for wolverine, only to have the guy get a nice lynx. At least thats the story Denny told me recently. The buckets are always interesting, got a coyote yesterday.
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#114299 - 02/28/07 02:41 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Kusko]
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martentrapper
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 479
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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Well Kusko, since the guy upriver caught 10, you have to quit so they don't get overharvested!!!!!!!!!!
Was that bucket for lynx, or wolverine? You know..........if you use the "official" western alaska version of the white 17 pole set, I bet a lynx would be more likely to get caught in that. The wolverine like them too.
I'd say it's even harder to get a lynx into a bucket, than a wolverine. There was an article in the trap and pred caller about a Kanuck that used coni's for lynx. Traps and snares for me, and generally both at any set.
mt
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#146981 - 03/21/07 10:17 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: Kusko]
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otterman
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1504
Loc: SW Alaska
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#151675 - 03/24/07 09:27 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: otterman]
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otterman
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1504
Loc: SW Alaska
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question asked by Kusko
Question for all of you Lynx and Wolverine guys. Would it pay for me to make a few sets even if we haven't cut any tracks yet. We know there are some in the area, but with the blowing snow conditions, finding tracks has been hard.
Reply from Trialblazersteve
will know their travel routs and they are pretty good about sticking to them.Somtimes it takes a week or two to come back thru but like the wolverine,they will come back.Look for sign along ridge lines and or on the edges of thick rabbit sign.If you make cubby's,make them right next to these area's but not right in the middle or you will be catching "mega tons" of rabbits.I like to make the cubby's more in an open area next to the rabbit sign and hang wings and tape a few yards around the cubby.Use your marten lure's to bring them in and I have found that rotten bird works the best for bait.
Question from Alaskan
What do you guys use for lynx lure. Not bait (I'll be using beaver) but some added "foo-foo" juice to entice them in. Just trying to figure out if I should bring up some smell good for them.
Reply from Trailblazersteve
Alaskan,I have been fooling around with lure's on cats for years and found that the skunky based ones work the best.I use the same lure's as I do for marten,both sweet and skunk.Cats seem to go crazy for strong castor lures like Pacific Call but It's not strong enough to bring them in when it's -20.Thats why I use both sweet and skunky lure's.Remember though that if a cat is full and satisified there is NOTHING that will bring them to your cubby.Seen them walk right by my sets before including this weekend!
Reply from Gator Jr
We've always used Pacific Call. I save my moose hide from each year and cut it into six inch squares, attach a piece of wire to them and hang one in each of my cubbies. I put my lure on them, and at the end of each season I bundle them all up and reuse them the next year. I even use PC on my marten sets.
Reply piperniner
Gator Jr. : I'm with you on the hide/lure thing. Wolverine rip it off the tree every time. Castor/ fish oil/ skunk has always worked the best for me.
reply Piperneiner
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#151790 - 03/24/07 11:08 PM
Re: Lynx sets
[Re: otterman]
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Rick McC
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 8
Loc: Northern Alberta
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Sorry - I put my lynx bit on a "new topic" If those in charge can move it to the lynx topic - I'd thank them
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Moderator: fishermann222, otterman, white17
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I found he or she was working the bank pretty hard and was in a spot for a long time just upriver from this set. I was very excited to say the least when the tracks were leading right to my bucket. So....MT, I haven't caught the only lynx on the lower Kuskokwim yet. 
And FYI, our local pro just upriver from me has caught more than 10 lynx this year already.
