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Posted By: Anonymous

Lynx thread/archive - 01/20/07 10:59 PM

I set a few cubbies on some fresh (3 day old) tracks.
How long before they usually come back by there?? on one set, I found where the lynx had bedded down, will they tend to do that in the same area??
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 01/21/07 02:18 AM

If there are plenty of rabbits around, they might not go far. Of course they may not be too hungry either. Have some lure.
If rabbits are scarce they can do some travelling. Can't really predict what kind of time frame they might come back on.
mt
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 06:10 PM

I did the area up good, I hung about 4 or 5 duck wings around, use rimrock for call, and I have a big hunk of beaver and a rabbit in the cubby. and a 750 wolf OS.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 07:01 PM

I'm having similar problems. Wayy too many rabbits. I also have some competition. I have a guy setting within a mile of my area.

I'll going all out this next check with ribbon, wings, lure, more beaver. I might even through in a extra trap or two.
Posted By: snowman

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Kusko
I'm having similar problems. Wayy too many rabbits. I also have some competition. I have a guy setting within a mile of my area.

I'll going all out this next check with ribbon, wings, lure, more beaver. I might even through in a extra trap or two.


I'll bet that if you order some of those, they'll draw the cats to your sets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 08:26 PM

what are you using for lure??
I was thinking of getting some catnip at the store and putting that around..
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 10:35 PM

I was just using that Marten Super All Call. I didn't want too much attention paid to it as we had high traffic with the K300 last weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 10:43 PM

king and buseer put a WHOOPin on those others eh,
anyways, maybe I will put out some magnum marten there

the lure I was using Rimrock, is basically castor and catnip.

Do you have to set "on top" of their tracks, or in the area??
My last set is at a funnel, and there are 3 sets crossing there, BUT, it is also where the trail cuts through, so I set of about 50 yds, "downstream" of there because of the traffic.
Posted By: smalltimetrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 11:13 PM

I caught my lynx this year in a cubby baited with a rabbit and tainted beef scraps, used the Powder River Cat Call for lure, a grouse wing swingin' in the breeze. I heard that Dean Wilson used PRCC for canines as well, I haven't tried that application yet. I used Bridger #3's, seems to be a good trap for this.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 01/22/07 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Hupurest
king and buseer put a WHOOPin on those others eh,
anyways, maybe I will put out some magnum marten there

the lure I was using Rimrock, is basically castor and catnip.

Do you have to set "on top" of their tracks, or in the area??
My last set is at a funnel, and there are 3 sets crossing there, BUT, it is also where the trail cuts through, so I set of about 50 yds, "downstream" of there because of the traffic.


Yah, they sure did. King has this race wired and it seems to be a good one to get because of the prize money $20000.

I put my cubbies in areas that the cats have been seen in the past.
Posted By: Loel

Re: Lynx sets - 01/23/07 04:57 AM

I like to use duck or spruce hen for bait in my cat sets. I use bridger #3s mostly.

Clint, your cats made it to my end of the road this week. lol
Posted By: T. Meyer

Re: Lynx sets - 01/23/07 06:47 AM

Loel,

Did you pick up an cats this weekend?
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 01/23/07 08:41 PM

I've had my share of experience with picky cats. I found 2 thingsd that helped.
I quit making cubbies, sort of, and started making a big obvious dirt hole with some sticks, and spruce boughs as guiding. Make this set under a well furred spruce for weather protection. Bait, lure and sight attractor. The cats seemed more likely to approach to where they stepped on the trap. I put the bait on the ground, in the hole, which means the shrews/voles would be eating it, but vole activity at a set isn't all bad.
The other thing I did was walk, or snowshoe, off my snogo trail to the tree where the snowhole was made. Even in little snow, you can make an obvious trail. Hang snares on that trail. Sometimes I did one, sometimes 2. it appeard that from whatever direction the lynx approached my set, he would end up walking on my trail. If he didn't enjoy the pleasures of the bait and trap, me often ended up in the snare.
Of course, you have to consider weather, snow, wind, etc. when making these sets.
There's one other set that was a 100% catch rate set for me. Make a snowhole on an incline, like the side of a beaver house. Set your trap so he has to step up onto it to peer into the hole. I think the curiosity factor, to see what is in the hole(that he probably already smelled) always did him in.
mt
Posted By: Loel

Re: Lynx sets - 01/24/07 03:42 AM

Ted, no I didn't connect on any. I missed one twice with snares. The extra 10" of snow since last week didn't help on that one. The other came in to a cubby and circled it and left. Another came in on another cubby and ate my duck. The snow that fell off of the tree covered the trap. The cat even layed on top of the trap and ate the duck. Go figure.

Clint it has been real slow year. Not my best year by any means. I am spending more time resetting then exploring this year.

MT, I have been playing with a snow hole set this year. I put about a baseball sized hole in the snow bank on the side of my trail. I put bait and lure in the hole and put a #3 in front of it. Now all I need is some cats to walk by. lol
Posted By: mmwb

Re: Lynx sets - 01/25/07 07:12 AM

Rather than post twice, I'd appreciate it if you cat guys would critique some of my cubbies posted at:
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=56031&page=0#Post56031

While targeting bobcats, I think your conditions are more similar to mine than most of the lower 48. Comments would be appreciated.
Posted By: northway

Re: Lynx sets - 01/26/07 12:17 AM

I am having the same problem with cats going by sets. I think MT idea of dirt holes and snares is best. I am setting snares in the trail where it narrows down. I will hang the snare and set a branch in the trail to block the other side funneling them into the snare. This works very well for me.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 01/26/07 06:26 PM

I never realized Clint that the cubbies had to be that big. I might have to call [I'madork] Proenneke and get some cabin making hints. \:\) \:\) I made mine big enough that the cat's whiskers wouldn't touch the sides, but not nearly that big. I might have to make my next one a little bit bigger. I'm pretty anxious to check tomorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/26/07 06:30 PM

5ft tall, but how wide????
I try to make em around 15 in wide at the base. I like to use an alder that is forked and use it for the opening, which is about waste high...I might even get pictures developed thisweekend.
Posted By: Bushman

Re: Lynx sets - 01/27/07 12:53 AM

Lynx cubby should be big enough that a lynx can turn around in it. Dusty gave the best piece of advice, put your foothold way out front, anyone who traps lynx can relate to lynx approaching only so far without committing. Also lure up front of cubby as well as bait and lure back portion. Doesn't hurt to hang a few snares on the sides or back of cubbies either. When rabbits are plentiful and you know where lynx are hunting them put your snares right on the runs. The height of the snare allows a rabbit to run under but will catch a cat. You have to put out lots of snares though if you want big numbers.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 01/27/07 02:09 AM

I would not overlook martentrappers comments. A general rule is lynx become less interested in cubbies as the season progresses. I get way more walkby's in mid to late January than I do in December. Modified dirtholes, snares, and pee post's seem a little more effective late season. Make a visual mess (dig down into the dirt and spread it around), try something different to get their attention. Dusty is right too with bringing the trap out from the cubby, that can never hurt as long as you do not have rabbits everywhere. That still does not help with walk-bys though, you know, the ones where the lynx does not even stop.

Here is a pic of some trapped and snared lynx from earlier in the season.




It is all part of trapping.
Posted By: fishermann222

Re: Lynx sets - 01/27/07 02:27 AM

GREAT photo Guloboy, where in AK are you at?
Posted By: Arctic Trapper

Re: Lynx sets - 01/27/07 04:58 AM

guloboy,

WOW!!! Whats that 8-9 Lynx? One check? What part of the State you trapping in? If I had to guess your trapping Dillingham/Bristol Bay area. Also like the Wolverine pics on the 330 Bucket thread.

AT
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 01/27/07 07:56 PM

I think there was 12 there (8 in front, 4 in back on the right hand side), It was 2 1/2 weeks (3 checks) worth. I just let them freeze for a week or two hanging like that to kill the fleas. I don't mess with raid and stuff like like.

Lynx are not all that common in the Dillingham/Bristol Bay area.
I'm trapping the Copper River Basin area.

Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 12:06 AM

Dream a little dreammmm of meeeeee (LOL) Nice lynx!!! I was wondering if you guys up there ever used snow pads? It is a product made to go under and over a trap to keep it from freezing down. I have a large inventory of them. To Alaskacajun,...I saw a picture of your DLS. Do you NOT laminate your trap jaws???
Posted By: Alaskan

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 12:55 AM

Picked up some MB 650s for use on the cats, and they look smaller than my #3s I used. Hope they fire thru snow better, anyone have experience w/them? Also going to use the MB 750 for Lynx, but the beaver addition, NOT the wolfers.

I REALLY recommend the one handed setter for these if you have the old style. WAY easier!!!
Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 01:07 AM

victoria I think you will find that very few modifications happen to traps up here especailly things that add WEIGHT. Weight = $$$ lots and lots of $$$ sometimes. I have several hundred traps and the only laminated jaws among them are the ones that came that way some wolf traps.

Arctic trapper the lynx pop in Bristol Bay is very poor for the most part especailly when compared to elsewhere in the state. I have trapped 2 in 25 yrs and haven't seen a lynx track in something like 7 or 8 yrs. I have a friend who has grown up trapping here is about 45 yrs old and he has only ever gotten one and he shot it.
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 02:56 AM

Here in the states, most of us modify our traps. Ask any real big fur trapper and I bet most would answer yes. Laminated jaws are a big part of that as they displace the power and add to the holding. However I've seen Wolves held in 1 and a half long springs, same with arctic fox,.... but that's a trap I'd use for muskrats. Personally I own over 700 traps and all my foot traps are laminated, even little # 1's. So to each their own I guess.
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 02:19 PM

Thanks Clint, nice to see how others do it. Keep up the good work! I have trapped in Arctic conditions (mostly in northern Manitoba). They didn't do anything special to their traps either. They never even heard of dying or waxing traps. When I brought out my traps they just looked at me funny like I was from another planet. Down here (lower 48) they have the BMP's. They tell us a trap should have this or that...Canada's doing the same thing on their traps(who knows?). Anyway, nice to hear from you guys up north. Keep catchin' the GOOD stuff!
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 02:19 PM

Thanks Clint, nice to see how others do it. Keep up the good work! I have trapped in Arctic conditions (mostly in northern Manitoba). They didn't do anything special to their traps either. They never even heard of dying or waxing traps. When I brought out my traps they just looked at me funny like I was from another planet. Downhere (lower 48) they have the BMP's. They tell us a trap should have this or that...Canada,s doing the same thing on their traps. (who knows?)Anyway, nice to hear from you guys up north. Keep catchin' the GOOD stuff!
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 01/28/07 05:16 PM

I think laminated is great. Less tearing of the skin. Less likely to break bones. I can see it might freeze in a little more.
Hard to debate whether traps NEED laminating. Probably they don't in most cases. It's a matter of preferance.
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 01:15 AM

I suppose then, the trick is to learn how to keep traps from freezing down. I learned long ago from the Inuit people just how that's done in snow conditions that exceed minus 60F (Check out Re: HELP!!DONT KNOW HOW TO TRAP IN SNOW! in the Land Trapping Archive). I used the Manning #9 back before it was called the Alaskan #9. I found the jaws way too thin for my personal taste. It reminds me of the Victor #2 square jaw... too thin jaws that damage feet and legs of your target. Personally I laminated every foot trap I owned. Ask Craig O'Gorman, probably one if not the best coyote trappers in the lower 48, his view on laminating jaws. He stated he didn't have time for anybody who wouldn't do it. That speaks volumes to me. I can personally say I have never toed or footed an animal in my adult life (after modifying all my foot traps). That's over 10,000 fur bearers (red and grey fox, coyote, wolves, Arctic fox, beaver, otter, mink, badger, skunk, civet cat, possum, raccoon, and bobcat. Not to mention several thousand muskrats and a weasel or two). This of course, is just one person's opinion but if you ask most long line trappers here in the lower 48 you'll find almost all of them modify their traps to some degree.
Posted By: fishermann222

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 03:54 AM

Victoria I don't know if you should be putting those words that Craig O'Gorman said to you in a public forum. He may have said that to you privately, but I doubt he wants all trappers nationwide to read it.
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 05:37 AM

Rick : Amen. A whole lot of us in Ak. this year are dealing with heavy snow after heavy snow. Spending the whole time just digging out and resetting. Sounds like you will be wolf hunting soon.
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 06:17 AM

Rick : Funny coincidence. My former trapping partner just retired as a game warden up here and hired on with your state as a conservation officer. Can't give up what he loves I guess. The poachers better watch out, this guy lives the job and made the most cases of any officer each year.
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 05:25 PM

Don't think it is the same guy. He will be south of Lewiston and has not moved yet. Was in enforcement and been trapping since 12. Good wolf trapper.
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 05:41 PM

Are any of you Alaskan trappers saving your lynx, wolf or wolverine glands? I'm really interested if you're wanting to sell any.
Posted By: victoria vixen

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 06:27 PM

this is what mine looks like. The lynx followed my trail for over 1/2 mile,(i drag beaver behind the machine) right to the set, came to within 20 yds, downwind of it and kept on going. so I added another HUGE hunk of beaver, a duck and more wings.
What am I doing wrong???
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 01/29/07 11:48 PM

Have you ever thought of using pine bough's to keep the snow from blowing in? Or make it a "walk through", (open on both ends)? How about a bit larger and use vertical guide sticks on all 4 corners of the trap? Can you use a snowshoe hare or parts (head) as bait? I like a strip of fur with a huge glass eye glued on. The kind they sell at hobby shops or taxidermist use. That way when a cat sees that, he has to have it! Just a few thoughts. I've never trapped for lynx but I've caught plenty of bobcats that way!
Posted By: DannelBoone

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 01:43 AM

Hey Lynx trapper
If it keeps coming back with in the 20 yd,s why not put a blind set down ther thats down wind or do like some one else said plant a snare down ther oand if it is on the ICe spud a pole hole and plant a tree to hook the snare to the pole will freeze in and your good to go . Hope that help you Good luck
Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 02:43 AM

I dont have lynx nor alot of reabbits but do use alot of spruce branches for cubbies for various things. I also do not have many rabbits but have found that most spruce trees have alot of dead branches that would accomplish the same thing. Is it the cover or the green branches that attracs the rabbits? If it is the green branches maybe using dead branches that have just dropped their needles would slove the issue rabbit issue maybe?? If it is the cover thing no matter what you do the rabbits are probably going to use the cubbie I believe. Tell me if my assumptions are worng
Posted By: billcat

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 02:29 PM

I've got a request for you guys, sure would appreciate it if one of you would post a closeup picture of a Lynx foot, top and bottom. Just for comparison with a bobcat's. I've always heard that the bottoms are covered with fur.

Thanks, Bill
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 06:13 PM

It was on its trail from last week, but this week he, she , it went a little off. It has been using the area, and numerous tracks, seems to be every 3 or 4 days, but not one defined trail. the other problem I have is the amount of people using the area, I would love to have it more on the edge and flagging tape etc, but would rather not catch one than have it stolen.
Posted By: Alaskan

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 07:06 PM

Billcat - Our fox have fur covered bottoms of their feet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 01/30/07 07:10 PM

there is also the arctic salmon that is covered with hair too.
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 08:14 PM

Hupurest, you might try a single feather on fishing line (a couple of split-shot sinkers to keep it from blowing too much and wrapping around other twigs). If you put it just above "eye level", you might find it may attract the lynx without too much people problem. Are you using a scent (LDC) as well?
Posted By: victoria vixen

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 08:20 PM

I have a wings, half wings, single feathers, hanging around from right in front of the cubbie, to 30 yds out, and I used them so it would not attract the people.
I do not have asplit shot on them, that is a good idea.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 10:43 PM

I had a guy tell me today that he used catnip and the lynx went crazy. It rolled in it, pissed on it, clawed it and never stepped in the trap....he forgot his guide sticks. I think I'll try some this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 10:47 PM

I was always meaning to get it, and I was going to also try and mix up a bait with ground castors and catnip..
cat probably got all doped up and forgot what he was doing...
Posted By: victoria vixen

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 11:27 PM

Curious where you get your catnip. True catnip is very expensive. Most chemical plants run it (steam distilled) at several hundred dollar per ounce. Artificial catnip is worthless (in my opinion) as a cat lure. So, I just though maybe you had a inside on some thing the rest of us didn't know about. Is it in a liquid form and do you have a problem with the odor getting out? Down here catnip grows wild but dies at summers end.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 11:38 PM

I'm going to get mine at the Pet Store tonight.

That's funny hupurest! We have drunken marten on the Yukon and doped up cats in the Kilbucks. \:\) \:\)

Ethically, is cat nip an unfair advantage if the cats are doped up when they step in the trap??? J/K!! \:\)
Posted By: snowman

Re: Lynx sets - 02/01/07 11:57 PM

If any of you need catnip, it wont happen this winter, but try to remember to ask me next summer... It grows like crazy around my house. I used to dry it in the shed for the cats.

I might be able to extract the oil usin some fancy science stuff (steam distillation, as victoria pointed out...if you have access to fresh catnip, i can give you a LOT easier method using liquid butane), but I've never tried (i have however tried with other herbs).

It'd be an interesting addition to a lure.

interesting:

catnip oil

Quote:

Ethically, is cat nip an unfair advantage if the cats are doped up when they step in the trap??? J/K!! \:\)

Yuo may want to add a couple extra swivels to that trap if they are rollin round a lot \:\) And a little extra bait for when they get the munchies.
Posted By: NMtrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/03/07 04:40 AM

hey guys I really appreaciate the pictures of the sets.. they help out allot
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/04/07 10:31 PM

Seen a neat idea in the NTA mag, American Trapper. Tom Krause, in Wy. showed a pic from his bobcat line where he uses small bells hung from string near his set. The sound arouses the cats curiosity. He buys the bells at hobby/craft stores. I'd say that idea would work on lynx.
I'm a firm believer in getting as much good info on trapping as possible. Any of you guys relying solely on these internet sites to learn about trapping are missing some good stuff!
mt
Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 02/05/07 12:36 AM

MT raises a good point there are several good magazines out there along with the internet. I have never tried it but I have read that a couple CDs hanging so the can click each other along with the sun bouncing off the shiney side helps draw cats too like I said no experince with it but read it someplace who knows where
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/06/07 02:48 AM

I can't believe this lynx thread has so little interest, but it is doing a little better than the wolverine thread (which also seems odd to me). Lynx numbers are definitely increasing in the Copper Basin. Are they not abundant on anyone elses line this year?

Just to throw in my two cents worth, I do not put much weight in cubby size. Mine are typically rudimentary, consisting of a few leaning sticks against a tree (sometimes just a little brush)and some well placed guide sticks. Essentially, I place my trap in the path of least resistance to the bait (i.e., the lynx can get to the bait from the side, but it typically comes in the easiest, clearest way, and steps on the trap).

I also like to use snare sets. I typically put some bait off the trail, make a trail going to the bait, and hang a snare in the trail. I try to make a big disturbance on the snowmachine trail to make sure the lynx stops and investigates. Making two paths from this disturbance point to the bait works well with a snare in each path. This set is way easier to make than a leghold cubby. It is my feeling that this set works better than a cubby like set this time of year.
Posted By: DLM

Re: Lynx sets - 02/06/07 03:18 PM

As far as I know about the only laminated traps used much here in Maine are the smaller traps used for coyote, such as #1 3/4 & #2 coil springs. Alot of guys like the smaller traps for dirt hole sets before the snows come. After that any good quality #3 works.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 07:43 AM

Here is my season to date pic. I had to take it now because with the current fur prices, I felt it necessary to diversify my buyers sooner than later. I do not need Pappa's or NAFA deciding whether or not I get a septic system put in this summer if you know what I mean.

Anyways, as you can tell, I concentrated on lynx this year, and had a blast doing it. Already cannot wait till next year, and hope I can find time to try and entice some gulo gulos into sticking their heads into a 330.
Posted By: SEwaterboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 07:53 AM

guloboy-
Cool picture. That's impressive. We don't have cats around here, but they really interest me. The only cat I trapped was a wildy kitten that had a cool bobcat-lookin' hide and he's yowlin at the door to be let out right now.
I was wondering, not to pry or anything, but why was it you didn't go for any gluttons this year? From the other thread you seem to be pretty proficient at that too.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 08:22 AM

We took a break because we caught 8 gulos last year, five of which were females. We thought we would "rest" the line. It is also a grind to run the gulo line we do; it is a long ways from the house, a long way on snogo to the traps, and there is consistently inclemental weather on that that line (lots of snow and wind). I have some photos of us digging out traps that would make you laugh.
Posted By: SEwaterboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 08:36 AM

Makes sense. What do you guys typically consider a 'safe' harvest ratio for your personal areas? I've never caught one(made a few sets)but it is interesting. On the islands here they are few and far between. I actually found a wolf-killed one this year as well as saw a live one on the beach. Accordingly to F and G I probably saw half the population of the island! The mainland, a short distance away, is actually one of the top producers down here. In fact FandG is doing a wolvy study right now over there and alot of specimens from the state are being sent here. Last count they had caught four but three chewed their way out of the box. They were using too soft of wood. It is an interesting study and I'm looking forward to reading the results. They have bait stations set up with cameras hoping to get one on film feeding. They haven't succeeded yet, but I guess they got some good footage of other stuff eating. Apparently there was an eagle hanging off the bait upside down like a bat chewing away.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 08:54 AM

Oh yeah, Audrey Magaoun and her husband Pat Valkenburg are involved with that. Last I heard they were going to switch to a PVC culvert trap, one with no sides for a skunkbear to chew on.

I have no rules with the wolverine sex ratio. Biologically, males are more dispensable than females, and we thought five females in one season was a bit much. Who knows though, the area we trap might be teaming with wolverine right now. We had planned on checking it out this winter, but have yet to find the time to do it.
Posted By: SEwaterboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 03:39 PM

Yeah, you are right. I was just in there getting a wolf sealed and I noticed the "new" trap they had sitting there. It was a tube of some sort, I don't know, I got to telling wolf stories and completely forgot to go over and check out the trap. I think the study is on some kind of suspention right now due to the bay freezing in. I don't know, I talked to the guy for a minute, but it sounded like the wife was the one heading up the operation. I haven't got to talk to her yet. They have a lot of help from local guys too so they should eventually be able to get some jewelry on more than just the one female.
Posted By: takotna

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 06:18 PM

Nice pic guloboy, hope you get your septic in.
Posted By: Moosecaller

Re: Lynx sets - 02/24/07 10:52 PM

nice pic, corey. i like your beard
Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 02/25/07 04:16 AM

nice catch guloboy
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/25/07 04:26 AM

gulo : Glad to see you had another good year. Also glad you mentioned letting the line rest in regards to the female take. I hope others realize how important that is ( imo ) .

S.E.W : You ought to chat with the husband / wife team - they know their stuff.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/25/07 06:42 AM

OK, Piper, why is it important to let the line rest?
Gulo took 8 wolverine, just over half being female.
Gulo, were those all adult females? How about the males?
Adult female wolverine are pregnant when they enter the trapping season. Younger ones would not be.
How many miles of line did those 8 wolverine come from? Were there other trappers, other wolverine taken, near you? How about sign at the end of the season? Were there still tracks of wolverine you didn't catch?
What sort of prey is in the area? Small game? Large game?

I think there are many factors to consider when considering letting a line rest. Just because a certain number of females were taken doesn't necessarily mean you over harvested your area.

Letting a line rest assumes that the animal species your "resting" will repopulate in your absense. Not always the case. There is much more at play in our trapping country than just us trappers.
mt
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/26/07 12:18 AM

Martentrapper : Many of the points you mention are all considerations when determining whether to let a line rest. I am no expert/authority on anything. I simply choose to err on the conservative side when taking a large number in a given season - especially if several are female. I have the advantage of being able to survey my area by air, thereby determining population numbers to a degree. After once taking nine in a season , I definitely saw less tracks the following year. Did that mean anything, or would others have moved in from adjacent areas - dammed if I know. It's just my personal belief based on my experience and I'm not trying to convince anyone else. However, I strongly believe it doesn't take a lot to hurt them.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/26/07 04:12 AM

Marten: The line is being rested for numerous reasons. You obviously know a fair bit about wolverine management, and your questions are all pertinent when it comes to deciding how much trapping power one should exhibit on wolverine. We considered all of your points (and a couple others), when we decided to lay off the line for a year.

Refugia is the major key, and is always a good thing. Yes, we do have lots of refugia around us. We have spatial refugias as the adjacent areas have little trapping pressure. There is no doubt, we could of gone out there and caught wolverine this year, but we were unsure if it would of been worth the time, gas and effort to trap it again. When we decided not to trap the line this year, a second type of refugia was created: a temporal refugia. I am willing to bet the decision not to trap this year will benefit us next year.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/26/07 05:48 AM

Nice catch and great picture.
Posted By: wilsonjr

Re: Lynx sets - 02/26/07 08:16 AM

Great bunch of fur. Quick though...sell the fur before the sled and traps have to go with it; I know how those septic systems can climb in importance.

That's the first time I've heard the word 'refugia' before. I better go find a dictionary.
Posted By: guloboy

Re: Lynx sets - 02/27/07 05:50 AM

plural for refugium. It has been used frequently in some recent scientific papers on managing furbearer populations. I stole the word from the scientists. I plan on using it in front of the Board of Game this weekend. Unit 11 wolverine season should go into February.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/27/07 08:25 AM

When does it end now, gulo? Don't have a reg book handy tonite?

I would have a hard time believing that anyone using strictly coni's can put a serious dent in their wolverine pop. There's just too many that won't go in one, in my experience.

Refugia is any area that isn't hunted or trapped by humans. Without refugia, us greedy humans kill every critter in the area.......or at least some would say so.
mt
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/27/07 07:14 PM

Martentrapper : Your experience appears to be similar to Whites. He wont use buckets with coni's due to his experience with them. With foot holds, he feels if they are near his bait he will get them. My experience with elevated bucket sets is the same as with his foot holds. If they are near the bucket ( I am usually setting on their tracks ) you will almost always get them. That is why I am very careful in not wanting to hurt them. Not a lot of extensive info on wolverine, although the couple doing the study in Petersburg have done some good stuff. I have found some of the research is subject to different variables. With big drainages and abundant feed, there are sometimes more animals in a given area they some would think and their travel distances appear to be a lot less than some of the research suggests. Feed appears to be the factor in these cases. Time of year might also influence travel distances. Fun to be able to observe their habits and learn more about them. Great topic- keep it up.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/27/07 08:43 PM

Well this is supposed to be a "lynx" thread.
For most of us, weasther, snow conditions, etc, etc, limit just how much time and effort we can put into our trapline. I'm skeptical that just catching a certain number of wolverine means you may have overharvested your country. Your example of seeing less tracks after catching nine isn't very relavent in my mind, as seeing tracks from an airplane is so dependant on several variables. Since I'm familiar with what an airplane can and can't do, I'm also skeptical that an airplane trapper can really cover his area well, with sets. An airplane trapper is limited to where he can safely land. Even if you catch every wolverine that hits your sets, your just not going to get enough sets out to overharvest your wolverine pop.
Even if a guy does overharvest at some level, sooner or later, other factors that effect our lives will most likely cause that trapper to do something different on his line, such as Gulo concentrating on lynx this year.
A "healthy" ecosystem is constantly changing. The idea that there should always be X number of every species, or a "minimum" number is not natural in my view. Sure, I'd want to be able to get a certain number of every species if I could, and if I trapped the same area every year. But what we want, and what nature provides, are rarely the same.
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 03:50 AM

Martentrapper : Like I said - not an authority and not trying to convince anyone. So, is anybody besides Gulo catching lynx ?
Posted By: T. Meyer

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 05:08 AM

piperniner,

I ended up with 16 cats for the season. I was happy with that considering my season was only six weeks long and I had out only 30 sets.

Gulo,

Very nice put up on your fur, great job!
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 06:12 AM

Gator jr. : Good for you. You and Gulo sure did well. We are all jealous.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 05:31 PM

Well, the cat took a look at my set, but didn't commit. I had a 330 set in a bucket. His track went right in front of the bucket but he did not stick his head in. I wish the heck I would have put a foothold in there (let's just say there is one there now). \:\( I found he or she was working the bank pretty hard and was in a spot for a long time just upriver from this set. I was very excited to say the least when the tracks were leading right to my bucket. So....MT, I haven't caught the only lynx on the lower Kuskokwim yet. \:\) And FYI, our local pro just upriver from me has caught more than 10 lynx this year already.

I made a couple of pocket sets last night for mink and one for ermine.
Posted By: piperniner

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 06:41 PM

Kusko : I think foot holds and snares are the best for lynx. Gulo and Gator jr. are far more qualified to comment on that . However, have Mike R. tell you how he showed a novice the bucket sets for wolverine, only to have the guy get a nice lynx. At least thats the story Denny told me recently. The buckets are always interesting, got a coyote yesterday.
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 06:55 PM

Yeah, I have bunch of footholds and snares out, but naturally, it came to my only bucket set.

I need to chat with Mike about his lucky horseshoe.... he drew a goat tag and a Delta sheep tag.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 08:41 PM

Well Kusko, since the guy upriver caught 10, you have to quit so they don't get overharvested!!!!!!!!!!

Was that bucket for lynx, or wolverine? You know..........if you use the "official" western alaska version of the white 17 pole set, I bet a lynx would be more likely to get caught in that. The wolverine like them too.
I'd say it's even harder to get a lynx into a bucket, than a wolverine. There was an article in the trap and pred caller about a Kanuck that used coni's for lynx. Traps and snares for me, and generally both at any set.
mt
Posted By: Kusko

Re: Lynx sets - 02/28/07 09:03 PM

It was intentionally for lynx. We don't have too many wolverine roaming the lower river.

Don't worry, I still have a month to catch that sucker!!
Posted By: fishermann222

Re: Lynx sets - 03/22/07 01:36 AM

From Alaskacajun


Here's a Lynx cubby using a #3 DLS and baited with a bunny. Asa also provided the lure as well, and man does it smell good! If you look close you can see the marten that I caught, this is what you would call a walk through cubby! I also have duck wings hanging nearby and flagging!
Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 03/22/07 04:17 AM

Posted by Gator

AKCajun, Congrats on your first Lynx, don't forget the RAID.

I have to be a proud dad for a second, Carolyn was nice enough to put my daughters picture on the cover of this months Trappers Magazine, she was definitely excited. Wayne also had a nice article in there as well, well written.

I asked about using Otter carcasses for bait a couple weeks back, and didn't get too favorable of a response. It seemed to work for me, I picked up four cats this weekend and two of them were in the sets I used my Otter carcass on. On one set the Lynx almost completely ate the half of carcass I used. I don't know about everyone else, but it seems like my lynx this year have had a lot more brown on them than usual for this time of year.


Posted By: otterman

Re: Lynx sets - 03/25/07 03:27 AM

question asked by Kusko
Question for all of you Lynx and Wolverine guys. Would it pay for me to make a few sets even if we haven't cut any tracks yet. We know there are some in the area, but with the blowing snow conditions, finding tracks has been hard.

Reply from Trialblazersteve
will know their travel routs and they are pretty good about sticking to them.Somtimes it takes a week or two to come back thru but like the wolverine,they will come back.Look for sign along ridge lines and or on the edges of thick rabbit sign.If you make cubby's,make them right next to these area's but not right in the middle or you will be catching "mega tons" of rabbits.I like to make the cubby's more in an open area next to the rabbit sign and hang wings and tape a few yards around the cubby.Use your marten lure's to bring them in and I have found that rotten bird works the best for bait.

Question from Alaskan
What do you guys use for lynx lure. Not bait (I'll be using beaver) but some added "foo-foo" juice to entice them in. Just trying to figure out if I should bring up some smell good for them.

Reply from Trailblazersteve
Alaskan,I have been fooling around with lure's on cats for years and found that the skunky based ones work the best.I use the same lure's as I do for marten,both sweet and skunk.Cats seem to go crazy for strong castor lures like Pacific Call but It's not strong enough to bring them in when it's -20.Thats why I use both sweet and skunky lure's.Remember though that if a cat is full and satisified there is NOTHING that will bring them to your cubby.Seen them walk right by my sets before including this weekend!

Reply from Gator Jr
We've always used Pacific Call. I save my moose hide from each year and cut it into six inch squares, attach a piece of wire to them and hang one in each of my cubbies. I put my lure on them, and at the end of each season I bundle them all up and reuse them the next year. I even use PC on my marten sets.

Reply piperniner
Gator Jr. : I'm with you on the hide/lure thing. Wolverine rip it off the tree every time. Castor/ fish oil/ skunk has always worked the best for me.

reply Piperneiner
Posted By: Rick McC

Re: Lynx sets - 03/25/07 05:08 AM

Sorry - I put my lynx bit on a "new topic" If those in charge can move it to the lynx topic - I'd thank them
Posted By: fishermann222

Re: Lynx sets - 03/28/07 02:58 AM

Posted by Pete in Frbks

MT,

I use "dirt holes" under spruces pretty extensively for lynx. Works well here in Interior.
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