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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Rye] #852639
08/26/08 02:15 PM
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Cool videos. Coydogs Cherry bomb huh? Everything I own smells like that crap now.

Although I will not be trapping coyotes this year, I would like to see some coyote vids.

Cameron2, if your watching this post, I will be in contact soon to get me a couple of them cameras. That looks addictive.


What's in the well will always come up in the bucket.
Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Coydog] #852670
08/26/08 02:32 PM
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I think the bait usage depends on your situation. In "natural" settings, I have found that marshmallows are not the best of baits baits to use. Though when I am trapping in town where coon are looking for freebies, the coon gobble them up and I have never not had a first night catch on nuisance calls where my marshmallows have not performed.

The closer you get to a natural bait for the area, the better off you will be.

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: SNIPERBBB] #853456
08/26/08 09:38 PM
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K9... when can we get another installment of " COON 101"


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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Jim Blakley] #853631
08/26/08 10:34 PM
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Thanks, that was interesting...

Seems more like direction of travel had more barring on what they hit first... However, none of the vids showed a coon walking by and all of a sudden getting alarmed (lured) by a smell/scent... looks more curiosity in my opinion...

Definitely make you think different!


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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: HAGz] #853661
08/26/08 10:49 PM
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I've always thought marshmallows are better as a visual tool. They have very little odor. The coon in the one video pulled it out and didn't even eat it. Interesting stuff. It would be interesting to see some other baits used.


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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: goldy] #856249
08/28/08 08:08 PM
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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: rags57078] #856256
08/28/08 08:16 PM
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Try the banana or strawberry marshmallows if you can find them.:)


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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Jim Blakley] #856293
08/28/08 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: jimby
K9... when can we get another installment of " COON 101"


Sorry been busy with meth cookers.

I have it on a coyote location now. However I am going to shift back to coon this weekend.

This fall, when we start getting good beat down coon trails, I plan to set fake 220 mockups on the trails at varying hieghts, and see what the coons do to go through, around, or over them. Also I want to try this with varying side guides etc, some open spots and some crowded spots, to see if there is a different reaction.

I also want to film some snare locations. I may even deer stop a snare so that it cannot close up, and put it in various scenarios to determine the value of chin ups, etc.

Right now our coon are in the corn and no great trails, but just an idea.


Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856356
08/28/08 09:14 PM
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I enjoyed the videos.Not being picky or anything,but these coon are well fed,summertime coon.I feel that when food sources start to dry up and the weather turns colder,they would have a different reaction to the bait.I feel they would work all of the "sets" regardless of what is in the tubes as long as it has a food smell. JMO.

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: bigbrad115] #856370
08/28/08 09:21 PM
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So whats the consensus for baiting grizzers in Nov.? If you had only one bait, what would it be?

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856376
08/28/08 09:26 PM
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Thanks for posting all these pics , it sure makes a guy think not to mention get even more reved up for season to get here.

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856380
08/28/08 09:28 PM
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Again, Excellent training material. Also sounds like you have some good ideas for upcoming training sessions...Thank You

Oh and good hunting on the job also...many thanks there. Tom

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Phil Nichols] #856383
08/28/08 09:29 PM
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this high-tech stuff is so cool. its trapping season without taking the animal. bring us more!! :o)

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: bigbrad115] #856420
08/28/08 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigbrad115
I enjoyed the videos.Not being picky or anything,but these coon are well fed,summertime coon.I feel that when food sources start to dry up and the weather turns colder,they would have a different reaction to the bait.I feel they would work all of the "sets" regardless of what is in the tubes as long as it has a food smell. JMO.


I agree and plan to do some testing when they start pushing fur and taking on fat. It will be very very interesting to see the difference and compare.

I do not know what the best Griz lure is yet, as I want to see fall observations on coon that are more food oriented. I know from speaking with a guy who kills a lot with Griz, that fish is very good.

I know from my observations of PVC in the fall, that the coon dig it harder than they did now in these tests.

What I think I have learned:

-Gang sets gang sets gang sets.

-Some lures are better at stalling out coon, and when they stall out and get into "feeding mode" the front feet are doing the work water or dryland. Its no wonder flipped traps happen.

-Lure is good but I am a beleiver that bait is mandatory. I will see what the fall responses bring, but I am thinking lure stalls them at the set, but bait gets them reaching.

-A good "permeating" smell like Coydog's stalls them out and keeps them coming back looking for a food source.

-As I have always presumed, peanut butter is not a good coon bait as the mice will not leave it alone and it is gone before the coon have a chance to respond to it.

-I was surprised marshellows did not have a better response. Seemed the coon fiddled with them but only one wanted to eat them. Before I added the Coydog lure, one coon walked right by between the marshmellows and peanut butter, and did not stop to check them out. When the cherry smell was added, a feeding reponse totally came into play and both tubes got checked out, after days with no action at all.

I am sure there is more, but those thoughts come to mind.

I just went out and got my new friend the camera off a fence post where it has been this week. No animals to report other than a deer walked by. This was at a top notch fall location. However, the whole world is habitat and cover here, and the coyotes are in the corn fields. This coyote thing will get better soon with the harvest starts.


Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856423
08/28/08 09:55 PM
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Also I do not think the Griz would be a good summertime trap, AND more importantly, I think anyone experimenting with thier own home made baits and lures would draw some false conclusions if doing so on summertime coon. I say that because I KNOW ProCoon and Trouble Finger are top notch coon lures, and they got a response but not as strong as I suspected.


Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856459
08/28/08 10:10 PM
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Am thinking about hammering white PVC tubes pre season. Same diameter as griz. Get them used to reaching into white tube.

If you were doing this, say 60 locations, how would you design the test?

20 locations, one tube, fish
20 locations, two tubes, one fish one marshmallow
20 locations, three tubes, one fish, one marshmallow, one (?)

Lots of details to work out.

Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Phil Nichols] #856591
08/28/08 11:25 PM
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I am thinking lure and a glob of fish per tube. Each tube gets lure and bait.

I am gonna fool with some coyote gland lure on video too for coons, just to see what happens.


Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: k9.] #856858
08/29/08 08:11 AM
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I agree with K9 that the Griz doesn't appear to be a good choice for a summertime trap in or close to large crop plots like corn.

May be a different ball game in a city ADC problem, or other areas where the coon don't have 1000's of acres of buffet at their fingertips.


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Re: Coon video marshmellows VS peanut butter [Re: Coydog] #856879
08/29/08 08:33 AM
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Try putting the PVC about a foot or so into the water to see what the coons do rather than on the bank. It would be interesting to see how they work it. I know people set their pipe sets both ways and I am curious what way would be more productive. Thanks for posting these short clips I know it has helped a few of us!

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