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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: WIMarshRAT] #8119344
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
I wonder if the USDA numbers are accurate. Is it possible some of their otter don't get reported by their individual trappers? Do their trappers get frowned upon by their supervisors when they start catching too many? Just a thought.


I tend to believe they report vast majority. Any missed likely come from paperwork issue versus not being truthful. If anyone took the time to read the meeting minutes, one of their agents reported a dog incidental.

I can guarantee that caused some more training to happen, but I don’t think it makes them less likely to report.


One could argue that a domestic is much more traceable. Someone will likely be looking for them. Wild things don’t have that luxury.

I would say that if. WS trappers practice non reporting it would be management /procedural flaw. Same with free trappers.

Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8119375
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For sure. But blowback is much greater.

You catch another and you are likely gone. That is incentive. You have a bad run on otter and no one notices. Probably takes a few bad runs before anyone says a thing.

Now you get caught not reporting either one and you are likely gone. There is no leash for dishonest behavior.


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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8119486
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So they cut the southern zone back by 2 days that should solve the quota shutdown.There so smart!

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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: WIMarshRAT] #8119533
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
You have a bad run on otter and no one notices. Probably takes a few bad runs before anyone says a thing.


Apathy is a problem when you are producing wanton waste.


Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
For sure. But blowback is much greater.

You catch another and you are likely gone. That’s the incentive

Now you get caught not reporting either one and you are likely gone. There is no leash for dishonest behavior.



Yes, could work both ways. it’s risk over reward maybe some clash of perceptions and/ or A misinterpretation of value.

Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8120064
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Ironically no on was looking for that domestic. Likely one of those covid pets that was dumped to feed the wolves.

Speaking of wolves, wonder how that has helped or hurt them. That was a change in the last twenty years. Any other big changes?


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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: Mad Scientist] #8120091
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Originally Posted by Mad Scientist
So they cut the southern zone back by 2 days that should solve the quota shutdown.There so smart!



I wonder if that is a misprint for the south zone start date?


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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8120246
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It was a misprint and has already been fixed as of this morning.

Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: WIMarshRAT] #8120700
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT


Speaking of wolves, wonder how that has helped or hurt them. That was a change in the last twenty years. Any other big changes?


One would expect the wolves, doing what wolves do, has added to the WS workload. As far as beaver, I know wolves like there ponds and spend a lot of time around them in the winter. They are not alone as many species hang around the beaver.

Another change was the value of beaver.

Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8122406
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It’s too bad hunters and trappers couldn’t work together a little. Let the deer population rebound when beaver prices are low. When beaver prices rise, increase pressure on the deer. Help the wolves cycle a little bit.

If the bear baiters get in on it, we would have lots of hungry mouths to feed.


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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8123228
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So when do we find out the reported incidental numbers for the spring beaver dispersal? And the WS summer totals? And with the fact that we have already exceeded the “quota”, what’s the procedure moving forward?

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WS reports their numbers at the DNR Furbearer meeting usually in late May. That is the one I posted the meeting minutes from. It is usually held up by Rhinelander if anyone wants to attend. Not sure if they report otters on calendar year or something else.

Only thing different for the WS guys is they won’t have two valid otter tags this spring. . lol.


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Re: Wisconsin Otter Trapping CLOSING April 1 [Re: tlguy] #8123396
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I was curious how the state handled the perceived overharvest?

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