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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Nessmuck] #8120313
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
[Linked Image]

Right out the bathroom window !

They don't shy away from neighborhoods



Nessie -

Indeed! This is a photo a friend of mine took in California of a fisher dumpster diving.
[Linked Image]

Last edited by Gulo; 04/12/24 02:16 PM.

Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120321
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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Nessmuck] #8120324
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
[Linked Image]

Right out the bathroom window !

They don't shy away from neighborhoods



That would be a crappy habitat !


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120325
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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: white17] #8120328
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Originally Posted by white17
Jack: what is the biological reasoning behind the lack of a saggital crest in the females ? I assume the muscle attachment points are the same in both sexes .....NO ?



I have absolutely no idea, Ken. The sagittal crest is for masseter muscle attachment, and the males have a much expanded list of prey items (over the females). Obviously they eat much larger prey (on the average). Could it also be that the female picks a birthing den that she can barely fit through, in an attempt to keep males from entering and killing the neonates? These are the only possibilities that come to mind. Let me think on that question a bit...

Jack


Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Nessmuck] #8120331
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
White ....I bet my scent mound....pulled him in



Good one !!! grin


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120335
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by white17
Jack: what is the biological reasoning behind the lack of a saggital crest in the females ? I assume the muscle attachment points are the same in both sexes .....NO ?



I have absolutely no idea, Ken. The sagittal crest is for masseter muscle attachment, and the males have a much expanded list of prey items (over the females). Obviously they eat much larger prey (on the average). Could it also be that the female picks a birthing den that she can barely fit through, in an attempt to keep males from entering and killing the neonates? These are the only possibilities that come to mind. Let me think on that question a bit...

Jack



Yeah I was wondering about that issue of fitting through a narrow space.

Also, I wonder whether the males make greater use of bones than the females do ?? Thus develop those masseters more than the girls do and the crest along with it
What about this........can you tell a male from a female YOY by the skull suture ??


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Bruce T] #8120347
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Originally Posted by white17
That's interesting Bruce. Can you point me to the data on that predation and how it was collected ?
Thanks !

The data on Fisher killing marten was from me trapping Fisher and marten on my own trap lines for years seeing where Fisher ate marten from my traps confirmed by evidence in the snow(tracks,ect.).Most times I would then catch the Fisher on my next trap visit.I have also seen Fisher chasing marten.



OK thanks. So just a target of opportunity rather than actual predation.


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: white17] #8120348
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Originally Posted by white17

What about this........can you tell a male from a female YOY by the skull suture ??



I found no differences between the sexes in timing of suture closure. Obviously, the sutures (especially the nasals) are not cemented in the YOY age class, but it was the same for both sexes. Just based on total length and/or zygomatic width though, you could separate sexes.

Jack


Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120357
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Y'all are ovahthinking this way too much .

A girl loves a well muscled up man. A complete turn on. ...








Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120362
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Originally Posted by Gulo



Young-of-the-year animals can be determined by the growth plate (the hypophyseal/epiphyseal symphysis). Juvenile on the right, adult with fused bone on the left.
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I like this post Gulo! What bone is this in the picture?


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120365
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Originally Posted by Gulo

Originally Posted by white17

What about this........can you tell a male from a female YOY by the skull suture ??



I found no differences between the sexes in timing of suture closure. Obviously, the sutures (especially the nasals) are not cemented in the YOY age class, but it was the same for both sexes. Just based on total length and/or zygomatic width though, you could separate sexes.

Jack


I would think that there must be some relationship between den opening and zygomatic width. The female must "know" that relationship inherently/instinctively.

Can you determine sex ratios of previous litters from placental scars .....or are the neos just about the same size at birth ?


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Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Jurassic Park] #8120428
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Originally Posted by white17
Can you determine sex ratios of previous litters from placental scars .....or are the neos just about the same size at birth ?



Same size at birth. No variation that I can detect in size of placental scars.
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Young-of-the-year animals can be determined by the growth plate.


Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Jurassic Park] #8120429
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park



I like this post Gulo! What bone is this in the picture?


JP The photograph is of the distal end of a couple of femurs.


Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120547
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There have been several cases of rabid fisher entering buildings and contact with people here.....talk about a wee bit of Public health paper work having being done...and multiple shots for people.
And regular fish landing nets have a 20 second life expectancy on capture.

Re: Photo Phriday 131 - Fisher [Re: Gulo] #8120560
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Seem fearless and always cruising.

Neat animal.


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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park



I like this post Gulo! What bone is this in the picture?


JP The photograph is of the distal end of a couple of femurs.


Gotcha! Thanks!


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