Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Oakey]
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04/08/24 09:36 PM
04/08/24 09:36 PM
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bfflobo
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Wire levers = Poor, spongy lock up.
Last edited by bfflobo; 04/14/24 01:31 PM.
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Oakey]
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04/08/24 10:10 PM
04/08/24 10:10 PM
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Posts: 4,396 East, Kentucky
KYBOY
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I'm kinda stumped, Ive used them for years and pull outs are practically non existent for me...cant even remember the last time it happened..sorry
Deep in the heart of Appalachia....
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Oakey]
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04/09/24 05:59 AM
04/09/24 05:59 AM
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Scott__aR
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I use mb-650 ILOL, (my preferred trap) for: coyotes and cats, the occasional red fox and wolves that can't resist stepping in them except in higher potential theft areas. I use 650s because of the snow. Can't recall the last time I had a pullout. I paint mine, but shouldn't make a difference. 27" of #3 chain with 4 swivels and T. C. Conner shock springs attache to all manner of anchors and drags. But on 12" of chain springs aren't needed, swivels still are.
Levers freezing to the ground slowing the trap down, not getting a full pad catch, maybe??? I bed mine with waxed paper, covering and below the trap.
That's all I got for you! DM if you lose confidence in them.
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Wanna Be]
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04/09/24 09:34 AM
04/09/24 09:34 AM
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Set it off with 4 fingers and see if you can pull out of it. If you can, replace the traps. If you can’t, then some sort of operator error.
Make sure to video it in slow motion too for a better understanding. And then post the video here so we can critique it and give helpful tips. I have some cast jawed 650s, some outside laminated, a couple inside laminated, and even an unlaminated (never caught anything in it, hasn't been set but once, always planning to laminate it), everything but your IL/OL and haven't had a problem. Those laminations on both sides make a lot of jaw face to come up through any crust, which may be slowing it. I don't like the trigger system on the MB650s, but they are a stout trap that in my experience will hold about anything that steps in them except hooves.
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: bearcat2]
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04/10/24 01:00 AM
04/10/24 01:00 AM
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Scott__aR
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Set it off with 4 fingers and see if you can pull out of it. If you can, replace the traps. If you can’t, then some sort of operator error.
Make sure to video it in slow motion too for a better understanding. And then post the video here so we can critique it and give helpful tips. . If you are going to venture down this path, wear a heavy leather glove.
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Oakey]
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04/11/24 10:59 AM
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Wife
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Can't get the post hookup to load - too many bites.............. the mike
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Re: My 650 pull outs
[Re: Oakey]
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04/13/24 02:15 PM
04/13/24 02:15 PM
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Posts: 2,951 E central Il
Golf ball
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I don’t know about Mike and Mike but I’ve used the 650’s fully laminated and use 4# of pan tension +, without worrying. I used to think 5# might be a little much but after seeing Mr. Sterlings last demo I would not be afraid to go 6 or even 8# of pan tension. Glen stated that he was trying to catch a Mt. lion and was running 16 or 17# of tension and they were still catching coyotes . I can’t attest to that but can say I run a strong 4# of tension and always have a full foot in the trap in most cases. That being said , this would be your simplest solution.
Next if you don’t mind adding some chain 24” ,if I remember right ( maybe 28” ) , this will give your trap more time to lock up . After talking to Ed Medvets he claims if your not running a heavy pan , and use a short chain and don’t use shock springs , that most any animal has such a quick reaction to the trap firing that it can pull out almost instantly.
For me it was a no brainer, add pan tension. On a trap like a 650 with four coils , even with both laminations they come out of the ground pretty quick. On my old #4 long springs that are slower I added both chain and one of Ed’s shock springs. I have been modifying these traps over time and giving them some much needed pan tension. With Ed’s springs they now have 4 swivels and about 32” of chain.
These days the only pullouts I have are my cast jawed 550’s that only have 2 1/2# of pan tension, “ I’m working on that “ .
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