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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8096180
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They lost some new red pine but I think it was due to drought. What got me thinking more was when a ~6' tall oak tree mysteriously died. Things happen & many things can lead to a trees death (w/ the cause not always known). They had a couple white spruce turn yellowish directly south of a powerline Right Of Way on their property--possibly a drift injury). This year we are thinking of bur oak--they do well in poor soil & is something they want to add to their property--and the area adjacent to the field is 1 area on the property that is relatively open (bur oak need good sun). Good advice so far, thanks.

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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8113991
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We haven't quite decided on a species yet. 'Probsbly will try a mix of red pine, bur oak & white or norway spruce

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115168
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If your DumbA farmer sprays and your trees are damaged take him to court for any damages you feel you may have incurred. You should be able to live on your property without the infringement of others. When your neighbors spray (regardless of what they spray) your crops and you should not have to suffer the consequences. It is their responsibility to spray when it will not effect their neighbors.

Take it from someone that has collected damages from farmers that have sprayed their fields with no concern for my garden produce. Twice I have collected damages and am getting ready to go to court to collect again.

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115368
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I don't think they have ever had a problem with the farm in question, but were just planning ahead b/c drift could be a possibility.

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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: blackoak] #8115543
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Originally Posted by blackoak
Most farmers hate trees along their fields. I got into it with the farmer who does not own the field, but farms it along my property. I planted a line of saw-tooth oak seedlings on my property line that most didn't make after he sprayed. He told me I didn't have any business planting trees that close to his crops. About 5 rows deep in his field along my property he has problems raising a crop there and will have for a few years due to a Pramitol spillage I "accidentally" had late one night

I like this guy.....


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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115545
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I worked at Coop for 6 years. 2-4-D will drift and little vegetable gardens can cost an applicator alot of money.


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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115552
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My understanding of the law was that if the applicator followed all of the regulations regarding spraying they were exempt from overspray. Is there any truth to that?

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115571
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The applicator is responsible for all drift /,, If it kills the neighbors stuff applicator is responsible for all damage ,, most applicators have enough respect to spray with a light breeze going away from problems ,,,, Drift can get expensive fast apple trees planted high density could easily cost over $5000.00 acre the day they are planted ,, damage them 3 years later the court costs could easily include not only physical trees ,, plus all labor and expenses but all expected returns from the life of the trees ,, most guys carry spray liability insu. but i would bet their insurance would not cover those losses ,, If the applicator has assets i would bet the right lawyer could extract alot more money than can be imagined

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8115578
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Our state applicator licensing says absolutely applicator responsible for all damages even if following all current laws ,,, every label i have read clearly states user is responsible for all damages arising from use of the product .................... Spray from a boom is treated the same as a bullet from a barrel the user owns the damage until the bullet falls to the ground

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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Skin em] #8115598
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Originally Posted by Skin em
Our state applicator licensing says absolutely applicator responsible for all damages even if following all current laws ,,, every label i have read clearly states user is responsible for all damages arising from use of the product .................... Spray from a boom is treated the same as a bullet from a barrel the user owns the damage until the bullet falls to the ground


Thank you. My brother is having problems with aerial spraying, ill pass this along.

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Gary Benson] #8115611
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I worked at Coop for 6 years. 2-4-D will drift and little vegetable gardens can cost an applicator alot of money.


A friend of mine in here in Nebraska was in litigation about his farmer neighbor and over spray problem. I asked how it went because I was having a similar problem. My buddy told me I needed to register my property as a "no drift" property or something like that. The commercial applicators apparently look up the neighboring properties before spraying and take precautions accordingly. Have you heard of this Gary?

I just casually mentioned my friends situation to my neighbor and that's all it took for them to start being wayyy more cautious during spraying. Apparently they don't like farming around registered properties.

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115635
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I am in the ag business and it is the responsibility of the coop,independent and private operator to be licensed and be aware of drift. There are many many regulations to avoid drift issues. Adjuvants drift control and weather conditions all play a part in responsible application. There are also ambulance chasers posting on here that are a problem.

If I had a field that all of sudden quit producing along a boundary I would pull some soil tests send to Midwest labs and if pramitol showed up you wouldn’t be able to afford to live there anymore. What a ridiculous reaction.. and the farmers are the a-holes?

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115658
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Maybe you guys should move to the city,,,,,,, problem solved


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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Vinke] #8115680
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Originally Posted by Vinke
Maybe you guys should move to the city,,,,,,, problem solved


I cam promise you these issues extend to town. I saw a lawn care company confuse their fertilizer and herbicide somehow, killed all the grass and trees in multiple yards.

Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Trapset] #8115733
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I have not.
Generally a slight breeze is all it takes.


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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8115741
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i have seen guys start spraying light wind no temp inversions as the day goes on acres add up ,,, got lots to cover wind increases as the Temps warm, applicator is in a cab wants to get done says go for it ,, next thing you know dicamba is 5 acres over ,,, we have to be respectful of the people around us or these products will be over regulated until no longer have them to of use

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Originally Posted by AJE
I'm helping someone plant trees along their property line. On the other side of the property line is a farm field. The ag field is on the west side of the property line. Do you foresee issues trying to grow trees in such a spot?

Depends on the neighbor.

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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: AJE] #8118624
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I did some detailed research tonight on herbicide drift and it appears to be a more common yet complex issue than I realized

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Re: Herbicide drift possibility [Re: Kansasace2] #8119093
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Originally Posted by Kansasace2
I am in the ag business and it is the responsibility of the coop,independent and private operator to be licensed and be aware of drift. There are many many regulations to avoid drift issues. Adjuvants drift control and weather conditions all play a part in responsible application. There are also ambulance chasers posting on here that are a problem.

If I had a field that all of sudden quit producing along a boundary I would pull some soil tests send to Midwest labs and if pramitol showed up you wouldn’t be able to afford to live there anymore. What a ridiculous reaction.. and the farmers are the a-holes?

He said it was an accident. Stuff happens sometimes.

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A commercial minnow trapper friend said he could smell the chemical drift while dumping traps and on the next check all the minnows were dead in the traps and the freshwater shrimp were seeking refuge out of the water on trees and logs. He said he could have scooped off the logs buckets and buckets of shrimp. This was in ottertail county minnesota.

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