The Holy Spirit workings in my life and mind are truly amazing. Its like the song..if i could have anything says. Let me be an offering!

No, I'm not. Not even a little. The Bible is pretty clear that no one gets saved without the Spirit speaking to them.

Amen....until you feel the holy spirit working you are missing so much.

Jesus and Peter used different words. All "love" to us in English, but not to them. Peter didn't respond in the same way Jesus asked. Jesus wanted a complete and unconditional love, not one with limitations.

What are y'all's thoughts on Romans 8:29-30 which discusses predestination?

Who am i to question God?

Isn't that what Calvinism is, the belief in predestination?

That's an interesting explanation, interpretation of the Godhead---- Trinity.
The first time the word snair is mentioned in the bible, Pharoah servents say, Moses is a snair unto us.
When Moses led Israel out of Egypt. Many Egyptians went along.
Do you suppose they were convicted of the Spirit?

Partly.

Could you expand on this Posco? I believe as for me, because I'm not God, that my actions are all free will.. However when pertaining to God, who is all knowing, ain't none of it free will.

I think it's a good idea to back up a verse.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Roman's 8:28
( that love God) ( that are called) ( according to his purpose)
What comes first ?
The first and great camandment.
To love God.
Next
You are called.
And last
Because he knows you.
Acording to his purpose.
Now Roman's 8:29 For whom he did forknow, he also did pre destinate)
Again, what comes first
For whom he did forknow.
How does he know you.
Now if he knows you.
You are sealed
It just like a marriage.
The only think that can seperate you now is to die the second death.
And that won't be Christ's doingings.

I think Paul is referring back to those God knew, as Giant Sage is saying...he knew them because they were obedient, and I think since it's all past tense, he has people like Moses and Abraham in mind. It's about God's faithfulness to bring them through, and it's to encourage us, as Paul goes on to do. It's not about fate, or someone being irresistibly chosen over someone else.

So God doesn't know who will be His? That's where free will is peculiar to me, when we're speaking of God. Just as He choose King David, He also chooses you. Not "a hill I'm going to die on" but why I believe as I do.

Not sure sage... was the holy spirit present at that time?? my understanding which maybe wrong, holy spirit wasn't present until jesus came along. I think those Egyptian that followed just seen the true power of God, I'm not sure they were seeing the same power with the gods that the Egyptians were worshipping. Seeing is believing, if we got to witness the actual power of God ( not to say we dont) but a talking bush or parting the red sea... or the miracles Jesus preforming 1st hand.. this would change alot of people's views in today's life.

I enjoy t-man bible study, I'm not the person that knows everything and love seeing peoples views agree or disagree sheds light on things makes you say aw or hmmmm... thanks for this.

Jesus is the first begotten--- born of the Holy Spirit, also the Christ the anointed king.
John the baptist had the Holy Spirit,
Even from the woumb.

It's a subject dear to my heart and I love discussing it. God doesn't change and I see the way He has consistently worked in the lives of believers for hundreds of years.

If you've ever read any of John Bunyan's or Jonathan Edwards works you would know what I mean. There's no question God chose some before the foundation of the world. It's nothing to chafe at, it's actually the most comforting doctrine the Bible lays out if you have a concern for your soul.

Posco
I agree with all of what you just said.
Exept for one word that changes the context of the text.
God has chosen ( SOME) before the foundation of the world.
This passage is definitely about predestination.
In the context I believe it's speaking of the alpha and the omega
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.
The verse about being chosen from ephesians 1:4 say he hath chosen us in ( HIM)
meaning Jesus Christ.
Just read vses 1-3
Back to the word ( SOME )
For there is no respect of persons with God Rom2:11 If God is just how would ( some predestined be just?)
Who will have all men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge off the truth 2 Tim 2:4
Who will have. Do all men fallow gods will? And come unto the knowledge of the truth?
So what does this have to do with predestination?
Read the very next verse 2 Tim 2:5 For there is one God,and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Those in Jesus are the chosen. by grace through FAITH.
From the blood of righteous Abel,
To the faithful seed of Abraham,
Which is the Anointed Messiah Jesus the Christ.
So who are the predestined?
Back to Ephesians 1:1. ( to the FAITHFUL in Christ Jesus)
Now Ephesians 1:6 (to the praise of the Glory of his grase , wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
And now Ephesians 6:8 for by Grace are ye saved through faith,
This goes back to the promise to Abraham. It's about salvation by the grase of God, through faith that he will provide a Lamb.
And he did.
It is comforting to the soul to know that we have salvation in our faith in Jesus.

I agree with you sage, but John the Baptist was a whole different man in the world, Jesus right hand man, people actually thought he was Jesus, so him being being blessed with the holy spirit was God's doing he needed that as much as jesus so he could spread the word with and about jesus. The world didn't see the holy spirit until Jesus was born and he was able to spead it out through his grace. Before jesus there was no need for the holy spirit the law allowed sacrifice, this took the place through sacrifice is what was used to please God, gain his love, and to show faith. Holy spirit is here to keep you in check through conviction, allow our light of jesus to shine, and show the world how true grace feels. it came from the ultimate sacrifice that was jesus. That's why I said I'm not sure the Egyptian felt convicted through the holy spirit it was just shock and awe look at this God's awesome power. Now with that awesome power 100 percent God could have very well spread that same holy spirit we see today and convicted some to follow, I won't argue that.

Wow,very deep guys..thanks

Paskinner
I was actually referring to the passage in Matthew ch7
Jesus is speaking of all men including past, present, and future.
Matthew 7:23 And when I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
This whole chapter is obout Faith, and decisions that we make, Jesus Is speaking to those who chose to fallow there own will. The chapter ends with the parable of the wise and foolish man.
The one who chooses the house upon the Rock, vses the house upon the sand.
We have a choice.
I believe