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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109910
03/28/24 03:21 PM
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Anything to do with China it was sabbatoge.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109911
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How does it have anything to do with China ? What am I missing ?


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: white17] #8109943
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Originally Posted by white17
How does it have anything to do with China ? What am I missing ?

Look up who owns it

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109951
03/28/24 04:43 PM
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It's owned in singerpore not a main city but still red China. It had no crew! I guess it was CC it had 26 aboard and the Dains charter it.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109969
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Uh, Singapore is a city state on an island off Malaysia, NOT red China....and of course it had a crew....

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109971
03/28/24 05:04 PM
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It is owned by a company with headquarters in Singapore.

Singapore is not red China.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109973
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Singapore is an independent western nation. It is a parliamentary republic. Its a former colony of Great Britain and the main language is English.

It has a GDP per capita higher than almost any other nation in the world and a AAA credit rating which is better than the USA.

Their government is elected democratically and is the center of most trade in Asia.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Communist China.

Better look it up.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: white17] #8109975
03/28/24 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Singapore is an independent western nation. It is a parliamentary republic. Its a former colony of Great Britain and the main language is English.

It has a GDP per capita higher than almost any other nation in the world and a AAA credit rating which is better than the USA.

Their government is elected democratically and is the center of most trade in Asia.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Communist China.

Better look it up.



So they can afford to pay for the new bridge and lost money and production from the closed harbor. Nice to hear

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109978
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Same region

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109982
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This accident will give Chinese and Muslim terrorists more ideas for attacks. Wolfie better stay locked and loaded on the barge.

Keith

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109983
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I find it interesting that the pillar that the ship hit was the last place to collapse. The bridge was just opened in 1977 so it wasn't an old bridge as far as bridges go.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: gcs] #8109988
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Originally Posted by gcs
Uh, Singapore is a city state on an island off Malaysia, NOT red China....and of course it had a crew....


Indian crew.

Ships are owned by one company, operated by another, crewed by another, hauling for another, usually 6 or 7 involved.

There's enough real conspiracies out there, no need to make everything one!
( but thats just what I would say, if I was in on this conspiracy....)

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109993
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This is the 2nd time that bridge was hit . The first time was 4 deckcades ago. When ships were small not massive.

They need a barrier around the main support on the new bridge to prevent another hit.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109994
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Most of these ships are flagged in Singapore and other low cost to operate countries, no matter the actual ownership, or who's leasing them, they all have multinational crews.
These ships are huge, heavy and the momentum is tremendous, you can't stop them on a dime. They all have a single engine, which is fine if it's working, the generators are for lights and other ships power but are not enough to restart the main engine.
The hard turn was most likely the anchor grabbing plus the forces on the rudder from the tide and momentum. The ship was under the command of the American harbor pilot and his assistant, not some would be terrorist.
Sometimes an accident is just that, not a international conspiracy...

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Providence Farm] #8110025
03/28/24 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by white17
Singapore is an independent western nation. It is a parliamentary republic. Its a former colony of Great Britain and the main language is English.

It has a GDP per capita higher than almost any other nation in the world and a AAA credit rating which is better than the USA.

Their government is elected democratically and is the center of most trade in Asia.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Communist China.

Better look it up.



So they can afford to pay for the new bridge and lost money and production from the closed harbor. Nice to hear


I am even more confused.

Why should Singapore pay for the damage? Singapore doesn't own the ship. It is owned by a private company. The insurance company has already said they think it will cost them 4 billion in damages.

If a plane built in Seattle by Boeing crashed into the French capitol building......should the US pay for that just because the plane was built here ?


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Guss] #8110096
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Originally Posted by Guss
Same region

Not even close........

Air time from Hong Kong to Singapore is right at 4 hours

From Beijing to Singapore is over 6 hours by air


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110159
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White I believe we would pay for it if it was another countrys plain crashing. We pay for everyone and everything.

Like Canada's and the rest of the world that don't pay their part of for NATO, Ukraine, Israel, defense, aud for everyone when they have a disaster and on and on. I know it would be crazy to expect any other country to return any support.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Guss] #8110167
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Originally Posted by Guss
It's owned in singerpore not a main city but still red China. It had no crew! I guess it was CC it had 26 aboard and the Dains charter it.

You a retired coal miner? shocked


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110234
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First off this is not directed at any one post or person this is just some observations.
I've been sailing 22 years and Hold an unlimited horsepower Chief Engineer License, but I think Ive learned more about shipboard engineering and operations from the internet and YouTube over the last couple days then in that time in training.
Watching the video nothing looked like unusual for the ship loosing power to me. The bridge feel faster then I thought it would but I'm not a structural engineer so I can't really comment on that.
Feel free to PM me or ask any questions
JD

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110258
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Pretty sure Guss was driving the ship.

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