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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: QuietButDeadly] #8108210
03/26/24 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
That video showed several cars on the bridge not long before the impact but none at the time of impact.


The news said after the ship made a mayday call the construction workers were able to shut down traffic.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: walleyed] #8108216
03/26/24 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Heard some data estimates that 14 million vechiles
cross that bridge span each year !!!

It may be over a year before authorities can clear
the channel under the bridge.

Port of Baltimore is the import destination hub of nearly
100% of all foreign vechile imports.

This is a major economic blow to the United States economy.

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Equipment is en route already.
I suspect channel will be open within 90 days.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108235
03/26/24 12:47 PM
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Anyone know the state of the tide when it was coming down river?

That can add or subtract depending but whatever the state the vessel needs to be making headway to maintain control. Otherwise you're just going where the water takes you.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108239
03/26/24 12:48 PM
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By time of year that river should have the max water coming down so there's current.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108252
03/26/24 01:00 PM
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If it’s intertidal they would probably time their departure to work with the tides, which are fairly big right now due to a full moon. Pilot would be on the bridge and hopefully the helmsman understands English. Crew on watch should all be on standby at stations prepared for such emergencies as loss of power and/or steering. Perhaps River Birch will chime in here-he would have some good insight

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: 3 Fingers] #8108272
03/26/24 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
By time of year that river should have the max water coming down so there's current.


warrior, it is intertidal there, last hour of ebb tide so 1 to 2 kts I expect.

Originally Posted by 3 Fingers
Pilot would be on the bridge and hopefully the helmsman understands English. Crew on watch should all be on standby at stations prepared for such emergencies as loss of power and/or steering.


Definitely had a Chesapeake Bay pilot and maybe a harbor pilot as well. Ship crew may or may not understand English but must have an interpreter on board to relay commands.

A distracted bay pilot let one ship run hard aground just outside the river couple years ago, took months to get it off.

What everybody misses is the wind effect on a ship pilied up with containers....they act like a sail...no rudder response and you go where the wind and tide take you.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108276
03/26/24 01:32 PM
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p.s. My brother is on one of the rescue boats that responded. He called me at O'Dark 30 on his way in to work to let me know.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: bad karma] #8108277
03/26/24 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bad karma
Originally Posted by warrior
By time of year that river should have the max water coming down so there's current.


warrior, it is intertidal there, last hour of ebb tide so 1 to 2 kts I expect.

Originally Posted by 3 Fingers
Pilot would be on the bridge and hopefully the helmsman understands English. Crew on watch should all be on standby at stations prepared for such emergencies as loss of power and/or steering.


Definitely had a Chesapeake Bay pilot and maybe a harbor pilot as well. Ship crew may or may not understand English but must have an interpreter on board to relay commands.

A distracted bay pilot let one ship run hard aground just outside the river couple years ago, took months to get it off.

What everybody misses is the wind effect on a ship pilied up with containers....they act like a sail...no rudder response and you go where the wind and tide take you.



Low tide was 0200, so.shouldnt have been much.
I saw calculation of force of a 3 mph wind, perpindicular, on Square footage of that ship/ sea cans, and perpendicular,
But reported wind was about 0.

Looks like they dropped starboard anchor right before.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108293
03/26/24 02:08 PM
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Coast Guard inspects foreign ships for safety. The Captain of the Port and the ships agent surely have records of inspections.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108295
03/26/24 02:19 PM
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Foreign ship? Cripple the nation from the inside before you go to war.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: bad karma] #8108312
03/26/24 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bad karma
Originally Posted by warrior
By time of year that river should have the max water coming down so there's current.


warrior, it is intertidal there, last hour of ebb tide so 1 to 2 kts I expect.

Originally Posted by 3 Fingers
Pilot would be on the bridge and hopefully the helmsman understands English. Crew on watch should all be on standby at stations prepared for such emergencies as loss of power and/or steering.


Definitely had a Chesapeake Bay pilot and maybe a harbor pilot as well. Ship crew may or may not understand English but must have an interpreter on board to relay commands.

A distracted bay pilot let one ship run hard aground just outside the river couple years ago, took months to get it off.

What everybody misses is the wind effect on a ship pilied up with containers....they act like a sail...no rudder response and you go where the wind and tide take you.

Thank you very much!


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108340
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MTA cops were on the ball!
2 min from call to stopping traffic, one officer was waiting for relief to head back and get work crew off.


Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108407
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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108409
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How far is the nearest bridge traffic can use as an alternate route?


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108414
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I heard that someone that lives near the bridge would take 45 minutes longer to get to the next bridge /tunnels.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8108434
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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: gcs] #8108443
03/26/24 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gcs
I heard that someone that lives near the bridge would take 45 minutes longer to get to the next bridge /tunnels.

I would say that is probably a conservative figure. East coast traffic is a nightmare even without a disaster like this.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: gcs] #8108446
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Originally Posted by gcs
I heard that someone that lives near the bridge would take 45 minutes longer to get to the next bridge /tunnels.



Bridge was used, heavily, by Hazmats.
Can't go.in tunnels.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: DaveP] #8108464
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by gcs
I heard that someone that lives near the bridge would take 45 minutes longer to get to the next bridge /tunnels.



Bridge was used, heavily, by Hazmats.
Can't go.in tunnels.



I wouldn't know as I avoid that entire craphole area. Last time I was there I went under it while on the R/V Aquarius with Martin O'Berry as Captn.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: warrior] #8108474
03/26/24 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
By time of year that river should have the max water coming down so there's current.

The current from the tide is probably the main factor.


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