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Re: Real honey
[Re: trapper les]
#8104523
03/20/24 07:31 PM
03/20/24 07:31 PM
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Posts: 17,793
Rodney,Ohio
SNIPERBBB
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Rodney,Ohio
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I am impressed by the number of trappers that are also beekeepers, and that number seems to be increasing every year. The part about self sufficiency or the part about spending a lot of money to never see most of it again.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Ohio Wolverine]
#8104548
03/20/24 08:08 PM
03/20/24 08:08 PM
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Posts: 9,135
Indiana
Providence Farm
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Indiana
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I stored honey in a dark cupboard , and it turned dark and sour.
Is that normal if not stored in day light?
Heard it was too much moisture in it.
It was not at least 80% caped when harvest. When the moisture content is correct the beed cap it. That is they seal it over with wax. If the moisture content is to high it will go bad like you experienced. Light or lack there of makes no difference. It's dark inside of the hive. Bees see in infrared unlike us.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Gary Benson]
#8104552
03/20/24 08:13 PM
03/20/24 08:13 PM
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Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 545
Wisconsin
Mediocre Trapper
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Wisconsin
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I did bees like 12 years straight now have not done for two years after looking at honey I need to get everything ready this summer and order in spring again
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Providence Farm]
#8104619
03/20/24 09:18 PM
03/20/24 09:18 PM
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,938
ohio
Ohio Wolverine
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ohio
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I stored honey in a dark cupboard , and it turned dark and sour.
Is that normal if not stored in day light?
Heard it was too much moisture in it.
It was not at least 80% caped when harvest. When the moisture content is correct the beed cap it. That is they seal it over with wax. If the moisture content is to high it will go bad like you experienced. Light or lack there of makes no difference. It's dark inside of the hive. Bees see in infrared unlike us. OK I heard it was the moisture content, but couldn't understand why it could be higher than other honey. Thanks , makes me understand it all a lot better. Is there a way to save it once it turns? I just tossed it.
We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
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Re: Real honey
[Re: warrior]
#8104629
03/20/24 09:32 PM
03/20/24 09:32 PM
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,978
South metro, MN
Calvin
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South metro, MN
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Looks like it's starting to crystalliz. Place the container in warm water or direct sunlight several hours and it will go back to clear and smooth. For larger containers it takes longer than a simple soak. A heating cabinet or heat wrap/blanket works better. Just be sure the heat source can't go above 120°. In a pinch a home heating pad works just fine, better if you can tuck bucket and pad into a cooler or otherwise insulate it to hold in the warmth. I think I'm the only guy in the world that uses the oven. A 5 gallon pail fits right in my gas oven and it will stay within a couple degrees for days right down to 95 degrees. I set mine at 110 -115F. I agree with the 120F max.
Last edited by Calvin; 03/20/24 09:32 PM.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Providence Farm]
#8104660
03/20/24 10:18 PM
03/20/24 10:18 PM
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,938
ohio
Ohio Wolverine
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ohio
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Not that I know of it I would have tossed it. I was looking for pictures to show caped frames I have changed phones and don't have any. How far are you from Louisville? Some was harvested from a wild hive that was being tore out, and some was from A. I. ROOT , which used to be the honey head quarters , but is now bees wax candles world head quarters . I'm in north east Ohio. I know a few people to get honey from , was just curious as to why it turned dark and sour.
We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
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Re: Real honey
[Re: pintail_drake04]
#8104730
03/21/24 01:51 AM
03/21/24 01:51 AM
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Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,670
MB
Jurassic Park
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I want to start a couple hives, but kinda intimidating starting up. There is a lot more work involved than I realized. Losses are high, costing you time and money. Lots of pest can turn a healthy hive into a dead/gone hive in a matter of days. Our weird weather the last few years hasn't helped either. In the winter going from 20* to 70* creates a lot of moisture in the hive and forces them to burn through their winter stores 2 months early. Local beekeepers around me are reporting winter losses around 50%, last year it was pushing 75%. Best advice is to fine a mentor AND take a class. Those 2 things alone will straighten the learning curve. One of these years I’ll try finding a mentor to tag along with. But most likely if I ever get into beekeeping I’ll dive right in head first and learn as I go. Lol
Cold as ice!
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Jurassic Park]
#8104736
03/21/24 03:25 AM
03/21/24 03:25 AM
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Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,644
N. Carolina
Scout1
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N. Carolina
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I am impressed by the number of trappers that are also beekeepers, and that number seems to be increasing every year. I want to start a couple hives, but kinda intimidating starting up. JP, no need to be intimidated. But if I were you I'd start out with the africanized honey bee's first.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Gary Benson]
#8104743
03/21/24 04:28 AM
03/21/24 04:28 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,215
AR
TurkeyWrangler
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I don't really eat enough honey to justify having a hive. I don't know if they are wild or someone has bees close by but there are plenty around every year. Yesterday you could hear my red bud tree humming.
Poor people have poor ways.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: TurkeyWrangler]
#8104771
03/21/24 06:27 AM
03/21/24 06:27 AM
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Posts: 9,135
Indiana
Providence Farm
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I don't really eat enough honey to justify having a hive. I don't know if they are wild or someone has bees close by but there are plenty around every year. Yesterday you could hear my red bud tree humming.
I don't eat enough to keep one hive yet I have 16 now. Had 20 going into winter. Will probably have between 25 to 30 going into winter this year if I avoid expanding a bunch. I'm always building because your always going to have losses. But I honestly don't have time to keep up with 20 but bees can be a big part in making the farm profitable in the future. You can sell and give the extra away to friends and family. Technically there are only feral honey bees here. Honey bees are not native to America and we're brought from Europe by early settlers.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: gregh]
#8104776
03/21/24 06:31 AM
03/21/24 06:31 AM
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Posts: 9,135
Indiana
Providence Farm
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Indiana
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It is addictive. but you have to love it. I just finished 52 splits yesterday and have 13 to do today, over the next 2 weeks will be doing 66 more. so it can get out of hand quick. And is my issue. I don't have time for that and wooden Ware gets expensive. Going to be dropping another few k on med suppers this week. Maybe next week since I won't be home but around 19 hrs this week. See the time issues? Are you doing splits to sell or primary swarm control?
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Re: Real honey
[Re: Gary Benson]
#8104855
03/21/24 08:33 AM
03/21/24 08:33 AM
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Posts: 346
Northern KY
huntcook
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Northern KY
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The wife and me bought a dehydrator that will hold 6 quarts of honey and all the other bottle sizes we sell it will give a good even temperature control we usually try to keep it at 110 degree.
Government making sin legal does not make it right.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: pintail_drake04]
#8104977
03/21/24 11:03 AM
03/21/24 11:03 AM
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Posts: 4,660
illinois
jalstat
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illinois
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IMO its best when it crystalizes. I started raising bees thinking it would be cheaper, I was wrong LOL Like everything that is really good it costs money all a labor of love
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Re: Real honey
[Re: hippie]
#8105249
03/21/24 07:25 PM
03/21/24 07:25 PM
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Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,020
new york
mike mason
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new york
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Is it true that local honey helps people with allergies? I had customers who thought honey was a miracle drug for their allergies. A tablespoon in the am and 1 in the pm and no allergy shots. They wanted the full honey flow season and unfiltered. Sold these people 5-gallon pails of honey.
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Re: Real honey
[Re: hippie]
#8105256
03/21/24 07:35 PM
03/21/24 07:35 PM
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Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,233
Pa.
Bigbrownie
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Pa.
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Is it true that local honey helps people with allergies? Many customers tell me it does, and I don’t argue with them. They believe that the pollens in the honey desensitize their allergies. The thing is I’ll have multiple buckets of honey, some made in the spring, some in the summer, and fall honey. If I’m bottling honey from fall honey, primarily from goldenrod, and it’s in the spring of the year….I don’t see how it’s helping with spring pollen allergies.
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