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Arrow heads from gar scales ? #8082419
02/20/24 09:53 PM
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So Ive heard about this a lot but never really seen it till now . Pretty cool didn't know their scale where like this. Makes me wonder how they used to fish them back in the day . Btw this guy has a pretty neat channel made a Comanche bow and hunts with it using arrows and points he made..really good shot too

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082426
02/20/24 09:59 PM
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May have speared them with a stone tip spear.

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082550
02/21/24 12:15 AM
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Interesting video Wolfdog.
Those scales must be made of bone?
Ready made arrowheads for small game.


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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082589
02/21/24 02:57 AM
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I have foud them in a campsite before. Definitely used for arrowheads.


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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082626
02/21/24 06:42 AM
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Spearing them with a stone tipped spear is unlikely IMO. Their hide is double tough. I suspect some type of trap or nets.


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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082692
02/21/24 08:41 AM
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Bony armor

Stone tipped spear would have to be thrown just right to penetrate a big one

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082744
02/21/24 10:11 AM
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That's really cool. Kill a deer with a fish, what a concept.

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082763
02/21/24 10:40 AM
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Gar are basically dinosaurs, you can barely call them fish other than the fact they live underwater.They can actually surface to get oxygen straight from the air.

the scales have the same stuff that our teeth have, dentine, and a bone salt called ganoine that makes them fairly hard compared to normal scales.

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082824
02/21/24 12:00 PM
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Once while metal detecting I found an arrowhead made out of copper. It was too large to be an arrowhead. I was thinking it was for a spear.


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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Trapper7] #8082856
02/21/24 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Once while metal detecting I found an arrowhead made out of copper. It was too large to be an arrowhead. I was thinking it was for a spear.


Got any photos of this copper spear head, Trapper7 ?

It would be neat to see that kind of an artifact !!!! smile

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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082871
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Most of what people call spear points are knives. Stone spear points would have been short and thick like an oversized arrow point.

Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8082933
02/21/24 02:46 PM
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I think they probably speared or clubbed them. It can be done, because I’ve done it.

In certain situations, alligator garfish behave in such a way that it makes being able to get in close pretty easy. In my experience this has either been when they’re corralled into shallow waters or has been when water is flowing through a tight spot such as a culvert or something similar. I think they group up and sit there because baitfish are funneled through the choke point. When this happens, you can easily watch or get pretty close to them over and over, consistently.


Another way to get very close to garfish is by using light on a dark night, an example being lights on a dock. We’ve done this before with frog grabbers catching smaller garfish. With that said, maybe they used a torch as a light to get them close to the surface? Probably not, but I suppose it’s possible.


With gar populations no doubt being greater in those times, it is my opinion that opportunities to get garfish were likely common. Garfish are very well armored with the exception of the back of the head right behind the eyes. I know for a fact that a blow landed on this spot will instantly turn out their light, and if I can do it, I believe they could have done it as well.


Alligator garfish are an incredible animal, and in my opinion when it comes to freshwater fishes, alligator garfish is second to none when it comes to eating them. I fry gar steaks or slabs like pork chops, or I take the flesh and combine it with seasoned tater tots 60/40, batter and fry to make delicious gar patties.

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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8097120
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Re: Arrow heads from gar scales ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #8097144
03/10/24 06:22 PM
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I am guessing that if they were making gar scales into arrow heads they lacked any arrow head material that would puncture a gar. Danny is right those things are basically armor plated. My guess is that they were probably the first Americans to use fishing lures and took the biggest fish with frayed net remnants that snagged up the gar teeth.


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