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#1 coil spring question #8075620
02/12/24 07:37 PM
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Quick question, who do y'all feel makes the most balanced #1 coil spring ? Because the Duke #1's are just way too over powdered

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075632
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I like the square jaw Bridger #1


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Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075635
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I think there are only about three options for new #1 coilsprings. Duke, Bridger, and Wolf Creek. Bridger has the heaviest built trap frame, and the design is such a that pan goes all the way down to the frame & the jaws might grip a little higher on the paw. Might be an advantage at times with coon size animals. Duke has less room under the jaws and the pan doesn't go all the way down when the trap fires, which limits how high a catch you can make, but also gives very little room for an animal to work it's paw. Wolf Creek I haven't used, but it seems similar to Duke. Maybe a bit lighter springs. Might be the one I would try if muskrats were the main target and I wanted to use a new #1 coilspring.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075636
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Over powered for what? Great little coon trap.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075657
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I have a bunch of North woods #1's and have caught a wide variety of animals with them. Yes they are a strong little trap but never had any issues using them.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075683
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Favorite is a Northwoods,, But love them dukes also..

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075685
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I just modified a Northwoods #1. It came out pretty nice. Offset and laminated the jaws, made a baseplate and dring for center swivel, reinforced the dog, made new spring pin and 4 coiled it using the #1 main springs and a pair of #3 add on springs for the #3 bridger. Sets nice and flat. It’s a quick little bugger!

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Dan D] #8075691
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Originally Posted by Dan D
Over powered for what? Great little coon trap.

For anything, why that little trap has that much dang power is beyond me I rather get caught into a #3cs than thos little things that and I've had some rat trappers tell em horror stories about them

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Old coy] #8075693
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Originally Posted by Old coy
I just modified a Northwoods #1. It came out pretty nice. Offset and laminated the jaws, made a baseplate and dring for center swivel, reinforced the dog, made new spring pin and 4 coiled it using the #1 main springs and a pair of #3 add on springs for the #3 bridger. Sets nice and flat. It’s a quick little bugger!

Nice ! Any pictures? And what for ? If I remeber right you guys can use those little traps closer to the road right ? Remember someone making a post a good while back about using those ...or 11's for dry and trapping fox and stuff and think that was the reason

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: KYBOY] #8075695
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Originally Posted by KYBOY
I like the square jaw Bridger #1


That's my favorite #1 coilspring. I remove the pan and replace it with the pan from a Duke #1 1/2 coilspring. The Duke gets a Wild River Trap pan.

All my footholds are set up on one-way drowners. The #1 coil is, IMO, the perfect trap to get that muskrat or mink away from the bank and down to deeper water. Reduces predation issues and allows me an extended check up to four days. This is primarily for that set where you've got shallow water (too shallow to drown the catch) for a ways before deeper water can be had. Example: small pocket at the bank. Two feet of two inches of water, then drops off to whatever. A 'rat or mink in a #1 1/2 will not always be able to drag that weight to deeper water. They don't have much problem with the #1.

Pic: stock Bridger #1 upper left hand corner, Bridger #1 with Duke pan upper right, and Duke #1 1/2 coil with stock pan below. This works for me.

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Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: KYBOY] #8075696
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Originally Posted by Seth Doty
I think there are only about three options for new #1 coilsprings. Duke, Bridger, and Wolf Creek. Bridger has the heaviest built trap frame, and the design is such a that pan goes all the way down to the frame & the jaws might grip a little higher on the paw. Might be an advantage at times with coon size animals. Duke has less room under the jaws and the pan doesn't go all the way down when the trap fires, which limits how high a catch you can make, but also gives very little room for an animal to work it's paw. Wolf Creek I haven't used, but it seems similar to Duke. Maybe a bit lighter springs. Might be the one I would try if muskrats were the main target and I wanted to use a new #1 coilspring.

Originally Posted by KYBOY
I like the square jaw Bridger #1

Reckon I'll see about getting some of those but would like to hear about the wolf creeks too

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075707
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I didn’t have a reason for it, curiosity I guess! I’m sure it would hold on to whatever gets in it! I do remember someone posting about the little traps.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075758
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by Dan D
Over powered for what? Great little coon trap.

For anything, why that little trap has that much dang power is beyond me I rather get caught into a #3cs than thos little things that and I've had some rat trappers tell em horror stories about them


If you’re talking about spring tension, just take a torch to the springs. You can weaken them by doing that.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Muskrat] #8075761
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Originally Posted by Muskrat
Originally Posted by KYBOY
I like the square jaw Bridger #1


That's my favorite #1 coilspring. I remove the pan and replace it with the pan from a Duke #1 1/2 coilspring. The Duke gets a Wild River Trap pan.

All my footholds are set up on one-way drowners. The #1 coil is, IMO, the perfect trap to get that muskrat or mink away from the bank and down to deeper water. Reduces predation issues and allows me an extended check up to four days. This is primarily for that set where you've got shallow water (too shallow to drown the catch) for a ways before deeper water can be had. Example: small pocket at the bank. Two feet of two inches of water, then drops off to whatever. A 'rat or mink in a #1 1/2 will not always be able to drag that weight to deeper water. They don't have much problem with the #1.

Pic: stock Bridger #1 upper left hand corner, Bridger #1 with Duke pan upper right, and Duke #1 1/2 coil with stock pan below. This works for me.

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thats awesome, I like that.. Im picking up a couple dozen this year for rat/mink traps and was just thinking how I could modify the pan.. I like that idea..Your timing could not be better, lol thanks


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Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075764
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just to add Ive always been a big fan of #1 1/2 longs for mink rat traps close to deep water but never liked using them in shallow water because they could not always get that trap to the deep water and Id end up with bitten rats..


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Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075932
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Shorter levers give less leverage and make the trap springs seem stronger.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8075988
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I saw a Northwoods #1 coil at a convention one time, the guy was challenging people to try to set it with just your hands. I don't think anyone could do it. It had 4 coils of #2 music wire springs on it. That's the only over powered #1 coil I have ever seen. I've never seen an over powdered one like you mentioned Wolfie. I'm not even sure why you'd put powder on them. grin

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8076004
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I caught an otter in one when lived in Oconto County.


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Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8076133
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Why a coilspring? jillions of critters caught in #1 longsprings, easy to set too.

Re: #1 coil spring question [Re: Wolfdog91] #8076147
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Years ago, I had some Herters #1 coil springs. Wish I'd kept them. They weren't very powerful, probably be a collector trap now.


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