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Would The Military Act Against American Citizens #8065990
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This guy was a navy seal for awhile. Probably a good opinion to think about.



Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8065999
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Why is he in his car making a YouTube?


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066010
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They did already. Google The Bonus Army. Also, what was the deal on the college campus that Neal Young sang about decades ago?

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066017
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Military vs. citizens.........military outguns citizens short term........better weapons, more powerful weapons. But military is out manned. In Missouri alone, there are nearly 500,000 firearms deer permits sold annually, so about that many folks with a weapon lethal enough to kill a deer. That is MO alone. In entire US, armed citizens might outnumber military about 100:1. That assumes 100% of military stays on government's side.

Where citizens fall down is command and communications. All communications and ability to organize gets wiped out on day 1. Where military falls down is support. without citizens supporting them in every phase of the game, they won't last long. No food, no fuel, no transportation.

And what citizens lack now is permission. If Feds try to turn military on citizens, permission is granted.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: walleyed] #8066023
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by Mando
They did already. Google The Bonus Army. Also, what was the deal on the college campus that Neal Young sang about decades ago?


"Tin soldiers & Nixon's coming, We're finally on our own,
This summer I heard the drumming, four dead in O-HI-O" !!!

May 4th, 1970 Kent State - Vietnam antiwar protest.

That being said; Neil Young is a communist Idiot !!!

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066029
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And how many of those gun owners will fight against their own country? Very few.

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Originally Posted by rex123
And how many of those gun owners will fight against their own country? Very few.


I would have to think if the military attacks its own people that most will fight against them. The folks in the military have a choice to attack their own or not. If they choose to they are just another enemy. If they are willing to kill me at the bidding of the government the fact they are American will not cross my mind.


United we stand,divided we fall.
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066050
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My hope would be that somewhere at about the rank of Colonel, the orders coming down from above would stop, and get turned around going the other way. I have several former military members of my immediate and extended family, both enlisted and officers, and I can't imagine any of them lifting a finger against peaceful citizens. They would be joining them.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066053
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Some might others will not.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: Mando] #8066054
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Originally Posted by Mando
They did already. Google The Bonus Army. Also, what was the deal on the college campus that Neal Young sang about decades ago?


^^^^^
This right here is what I tell people when they bring this subject up. Gets my blood boiling. MacArthur Eisenhower and Patton all should have been shot. So yes, (some, not all) will shoot US citizens when ordered to.

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066060
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The US military is partially made up if people just like us...trappers, hunters, firearm enthuiast.etc.. they are not robots.

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066062
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IRS have many thousand agents that pack and I wouldn't trust! They believe that there is them and us!


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Originally Posted by Oh Snap
IRS have many thousand agents that pack and I wouldn't trust! They believe that there is them and us!


And they have millions of rounds of ammo set aside just for them !!! frown

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Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066067
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Right before Y2K the Army Reserve was asking it's members if they would bear arms against American citizens.

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066068
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I think the video makes an accurate description when he says the Government are experts at propaganda. Military would be indoctrinated to believe civilians are the enemy.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: danny clifton] #8066075
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Its been said many Germans were not Nazi's true or not no one knows What is true is when you can't trust the person standing next to you and you have secret police with no restrictions you're probably going along


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Remember the civil war.

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Originally Posted by Osagian
Right before Y2K the Army Reserve was asking it's members if they would bear arms against American citizens.

That's right

Re: Would The Military Act Against American Citizens [Re: Giant Sage] #8066089
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Remember the civil war.

Not quite the same. That was two different countries (the CSA and the USA) fighting against each other. Or, at least, a group of people that considered themselves a separate country, whether they actually were or not.

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Might be the reason for taking over the National Guard


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