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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8062183
01/27/24 11:28 PM
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I have too much video of live neck snared beaver working the loop off with their front paws. They most definitely can do it. Although once they are held the first 5 minutes or so not a lot will manage to get the loop off, some manage to escape hours after being caught just by working the loop with front feet. Overall it is not something I would say happens most of the time or even a whole lot, but enough that I don’t try to do it.

Also, I have not evaluated every cable/lock combination with that observation, so there may be some setups that could minimize or eliminate neck caught escapes.

Get at least one front foot in the loop and they are not getting loose. With this, I am not giving any consideration to leather stripes or fur damage, of course.


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: loosanarrow] #8062277
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Originally Posted by loosanarrow
I have too much video of live neck snared beaver working the loop off with their front paws. They most definitely can do it. Although once they are held the first 5 minutes or so not a lot will manage to get the loop off, some manage to escape hours after being caught just by working the loop with front feet. Overall it is not something I would say happens most of the time or even a whole lot, but enough that I don’t try to do it.

Also, I have not evaluated every cable/lock combination with that observation, so there may be some setups that could minimize or eliminate neck caught escapes.

Get at least one front foot in the loop and they are not getting loose. With this, I am not giving any consideration to leather stripes or fur damage, of course.

I run fast, loaded snares made out of 1/16 1x19 cable, release ferrules and slim locks. I've yet to find a snare for beaver that suggested it was thrown off and I neck snare 90% of the beaver.

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I use slim locks on loaded snares also. While I guess it's possible a beaver could work it off it's neck it would have to stop immediately when the snare fired. Of course neck snaring beaver is something I just experiment with since all the beaver in this part of the country are hatters. I do snare them on dry land often.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8062607
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Maybe it is my setup. We must use a “relaxing” lock, and I use reverse bend Riechert locks with 5/64” 1x19 cable. No stops or release devices.

I will say that on several occasions I had empty snares that did not seem obvious that a beaver escaped, but video showed exactly what happened. The vast majority of them don’t escape when neck caught though, so it is not a huge factor. I am a nuisance business only, no fur trapping, so I much prefer a body catch.

I will probably stick with my current setup since I like it best of what I have tried, but if your goal is to neck snare beavers there probably are better setups. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, and different situations and regulations are also factors to be considered. I also do not use any swivels on beaver snares, and I have never had one break or twist off of 5/64” 1x19 that I know of.

I expect that 1/16” cable would be better for holding neck snared beavers, so I don’t doubt you.


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: loosanarrow] #8062700
01/28/24 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by loosanarrow
Maybe it is my setup. We must use a “relaxing” lock, and I use reverse bend Riechert locks with 5/64” 1x19 cable. No stops or release devices.

I will say that on several occasions I had empty snares that did not seem obvious that a beaver escaped, but video showed exactly what happened. The vast majority of them don’t escape when neck caught though, so it is not a huge factor. I am a nuisance business only, no fur trapping, so I much prefer a body catch.

I will probably stick with my current setup since I like it best of what I have tried, but if your goal is to neck snare beavers there probably are better setups. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, and different situations and regulations are also factors to be considered. I also do not use any swivels on beaver snares, and I have never had one break or twist off of 5/64” 1x19 that I know of.

I expect that 1/16” cable would be better for holding neck snared beavers, so I don’t doubt you.



If I remember my testing using that lock and cable for coon snares, that lock would actually bounce back a bit when you first fire the snare.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8062716
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Interesting. I have not noticed that with the locks I am using. I will test that again though to be sure. There are a few variables like type of loading and the bend/termination at the lock. In fact there are so many variables when building snares that I keep an open mind about finding something better, because one little tweak can make a big difference.
Do you recall testing any that are sold as “relaxing” that were better than your reverse bend washer locks in that regard?
I’m glad newt listed those little locks he makes as relaxing, they look like a great little lock and the one sample he sent me along with a cable order worked perfectly. I am just about through the last batch of reverse bend and may try something new when I make loops in the near future.


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8062758
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Fast loaded snares and cam locks for me. Specifically mini cam locks.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8062786
01/28/24 05:54 PM
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Building snares is a fun hobby sometimes as there's just all kinds of ways to build a snare.

Ohios definition of relaxing basically means there is no such thing as a non relaxing lock.


Quick thing on bouncing, we're only talking about . 25-.50 of an inch.


Of the ones I can think of, probably the sure lock is probably the most bounce resistant. Especially if you run 7x7 cable, which really should eliminate any bouncing at all . Not that id intentionally run 7x7 cable for anything on a snare other than as an extension

The effect also seems to more pronounced on shiney new cable. I build and test snares before treating cable. After treatment I verify that the lock still fires smoothly.

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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8063060
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Sure locks seem to be listed as non-relaxing.

Indiana law defines relaxing in such a way that depending on how you interpret it, all one piece locks are legal, or none are. I asked for clarification and was told “if it is sold as relaxing you should be ok”. While I could probably win a court challenge if ticketed, that would likely prompt yet another new definition that would not likely be in trappers’ favor, so I am going to just stick with locks that are sold as relaxing from the supplier. No need to poke that bear.


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8063119
01/28/24 11:01 PM
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Ohio's definition of a relaxing lock is one that stops tightening when the animal stops pulling.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8063134
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Ohio's definition of a relaxing lock is one that stops tightening when the animal stops pulling.

All locks do that...


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8063140
01/28/24 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Ohio's definition of a relaxing lock is one that stops tightening when the animal stops pulling.

All locks do that...

yep, still have people try to tell me that you cant run x lock in ohio.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8063163
01/29/24 12:01 AM
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Sounds like some suppliers should start labeling cam locks as relaxing locks. They are by Ohio standards. smile

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8063193
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So basically Ohio says you can't use kill springs or "spring assist" locks? That's the only way I know of a lock to continue tightening when the animal isn't pulling on it.

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: bearcat2] #8063301
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
So basically Ohio says you can't use kill springs or "spring assist" locks? That's the only way I know of a lock to continue tightening when the animal isn't pulling on it.

Correct can't use a mechanical device that assists in closing the snare

Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: ~ADC~] #8064063
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Sounds like some suppliers should start labeling cam locks as relaxing locks. They are by Ohio standards. smile


I love that idea. And any one piece lock does in fact relax a bit when an animal stops pulling. It may only be 1/64”, but it relaxes. So the suppliers can honestly list any one piece lock as relaxing. If I were the supplier I would also note that some states may define relaxing empirically or with specific parameters so always check your laws before using. But for those of us whose DNR directs law enforcement to check the supplier designation, it would sure be nice, and I will say it again, it would be honest and in good faith to list one piece locks as relaxing. No sleight of hand or stretch of truth to it.
Edit: I see you said cam locks. They are not one piece, but they too must relax a bit it seems. But I would be happy just to have all one piece locks automatically listed as relaxing.

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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8064838
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My beaver snaring is under ice. I know a lot of guys use baited sets, but most of mine are just snares set where they are going. I've snared lots of beaver, and I get them mostly by the neck but also by the middle, tail and even the teeth and nose. It's amazing how a 50-60 pound beaver can get through and be snared by the tail. I have a lot of rats in most of my spots so I set the lock so it's not firing fast.

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Originally Posted by sjc
My beaver snaring is under ice. I know a lot of guys use baited sets, but most of mine are just snares set where they are going. I've snared lots of beaver, and I get them mostly by the neck but also by the middle, tail and even the teeth and nose. It's amazing how a 50-60 pound beaver can get through and be snared by the tail. I have a lot of rats in most of my spots so I set the lock so it's not firing fast.

A couple snare poles can cover quite a wide area.
I use them occasionally with tangle stakes in open water nuisance beaver removal.


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Re: Snaring Beaver? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8065319
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Think id just walk farther down the creek till I found a real slide lol

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