I nevah heard of homeschooling growing up..

It wasn't until my wife and I signed up my youngest son into the 4 H program.

That i found out about home schooling.

Both my sons went to.public and Catholic schools..

A lot of 4H kids were home schooled here in NH.

That's takes one person out of the work force and puts that burden on the other half...I assume ?
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Unless Dad or Mom make enough flow....and has a teaching degree to properly educate their kids.

I have no idea how they do it ...or WHy.

But I do know....most of them are socially compromised...and that's not healthy either.

But my hats off to Yinz that make it work. I wouldnt even give it a second thought.

Glad you ain't teaching spelling or Grammer, lol

You dont have to sacrifice one parent's job to homeschool. You can if you decide to. Maybe the younger kids.

You dont have to be "college educated" even to homeschool your kids. There are a lot of resources and programs out there than makes it extremely easy for homeschoolers and the time needed is nearly the amount of time they would need at a traditional school.

I know some people do the "pod system" where theres a group of parents that get together to homeschool their kids together so the burden isnt quite as great and theres more support.

For the vast majority of human existence, parents schooled their own children. Public schooling is the experiment and the new fad, not homeschooling.


As far as homeschoolers being weird.....it's true that some are. But plenty of public schoolers are socially awkward nerds too.


My own kids are homeschooled, but don't really have any homeschool friends. All their friends are public schoolers, and they have a ton of friends. So many, in fact, that my wife is in the process of opening up a youth rec center in out town for all these kids.

Stereotypical public indoctrination statements coming from someone who never heard of home schooling.

Is it the governments responsibility to raise your children? For my wife and I we chose NO. It was our responsibility. I know, I know, our poor uneducated, unsocialized weirdo offspring would never be able to adapt to public corruption and an illegal government establishment known as public schools.

After much prayer and consideration - my wife went back into the public corruption system as our local principal needed her to teach science. So, my kids reluctantly agreed to go to see friends. After receiving several notices that our kids have missed so much school they would have to attend summer school if they missed more - they still lead their classes in academics. We still feel our children are OUR responsibility and I still pull them out often for such things like week long trapping trips or to look for a first archery harvest. We miss school and don't think a thing about it. There is much more to learn outside of a public classroom where they cant figure out if a boy is a boy.

For me and my house - we will serve the Lord. For 14 years, yes I was the sole provider and the Lord blessed us by more than doubling our income. See, we put Him first - and He added unto us the desires of our heart. Men, it is our responsibility to provide and lead - not our spouses.

The screen on my phone is so cracked ..I can hardly read anything...I'll have to read it again

Not sure where this came from but I'll share my experiences. I have coached for 43 years, we ran a live-in group home for 8 juvenile boys for 7 years, taught public school for 30 years, and ran a summer rec program for 4 years when I first started teaching.
My daughter sends her daughter to a nondenominational private school, and my son and daughter-in-law home-school their daughters.
Today it is easier to home-school as many can work from home, my son is IT and his wife is in graphic design. Private school is expensive. My wife and I support them in their decisions due to the indoctrination in the Minnesota public school system. crt, lgbtoqp...., (I will not capitalize these) liberal agenda, and yes I have seen the in-service training that requires teachers to teach this stuff.
Our local school here is very rural and conservative, but even here creep is obvious, glad I am out of the classroom. With all that said there are different issues with homeschooling, Even our granddaughters who are very intelligent are probably 2 years behind socially, can this be made up for sure? However, their homeschooling is quite limited on social interaction and I do fear that they will not be prepared for some of the evil and issues in society that we cannot avoid. It has its place and can be quite successful and it can be quite a failure, it depends on the parents and how they are doing it.
My wife and I both in public education have seen kids very socially inept, and some doing very well, We have seen some poorly educated and some very advanced. It varies and it depends on the parent like anything else. There are also a lot of great home school curriculum's available today that were not in the past.
My job was to teach students to think, not think like me, not indoctrinate, etc. I get it today with the state of public education, the first thing to do is eradicate the federal dept. of education. Education is a state right. That's my take.

This myth that homeschooled kids are somehow socially inept or disconnected is just plain silly. At least in a general sense. Kids who are homeschooled and appear to have social issues would have social issues if they were in the public school. Probably even more so, since kids can be so brutal.

There are so many things available to homeschool kids: sports, field trips, get togethers of every sort.

True there are some families that have no business homeschooling their kids, but they are the exception not the rule. In general homeschool kids do better on standardized testing and have better study habits. They are way ahead of public school kids in the subjects they are good at even if they fall a little behind in the subjects that do not interest them and in my opinion, that's a good thing not a bad thing. Homeschool kids also do better in college because they are self- motivated and rely on themselves to do the work rather than a teacher trying to motivate them.

So much of school is wasted each day, and public schools are no more than leftist indoctrination these days. Teenagers can barely read and write, but they know how to put a condom on a banana.

The quality of education and individual attention among homeschoolers is so much better than public schools these days it is not even a difficult decision.

Just look what the public schools are pumping out today and then the colleges after that but you don’t see the need? I’d take a naive child that knows right from wrong over a woke moron that thinks he could have children any day.

Can a person put a price on having a child that they can’t stand dealing with because they are so far out there.

Yeah, they generally aren't the ones that grow up believing they're cats a d demanding litter boxes placed in work bathrooms.

The lack of social interaction thing comes from either the news stories of the kids licked in the basement or never allowed outside the house. Most homeschoolers go to church and/or involve the kids in other activities so they aren't isolated from others. Where allowed, they play on local public school sports teams.

I am sure home schooling has changed ovah the last 25 years .

Do Yinz that home school just use books like the old days..or ..

Do use use modern technology...like a computer ?

Public schools are an absolute joke. Nothing but a captive audience for a bunch of activist teachers to indoctrinate kids. Government school is a disaster.

CCA is a big thing around here. Its not home school, but the kids stay at home and learn over the computer. Still have to take tests. They have the camera on them and can see the teacher and other kids if they want. My son is 11 and does it himself. Doing good. He can work ahead on some stuff so if he wants to hunt an eve he gets his stuff done early. They have tons of field trips that they can sign up for if they want. Yep some kids are weird that do cca and home school along with the weird ones that go to the public babysitter school. His school is heavily armed, has 2 bullies(mom and dad) , no teachers with beards wearing high heels and no students identiying as cats. Yeah they do at public schools so remember that when people say home school kids are weird. Its more of an issue with parenting than the kids being weird.
My work is seasonal and have most of the winter off. My wife drives special needs kids to public school part time.

I've never heard of a home-schooled child getting bullied and shooting up a school. You reap what you sow.

Thank you for the words of wisdom!

For us it's a mix of books, both textbooks and "regular" books, computer stuff, and life experience. Life experience is the biggest teacher. Good example....a kid can sit in school and learn about money and it's value and how to count change, etc. But playing with fake money in a classroom doesn't teach kids the value of money. My 7 year old regularly rides her little bike down to the candy store 3 blocks away by herself with money she's earned and buys all kids of candy. My 11 year old rides her bike all the time to the dollar store to buy whatever junk she feels like getting. Both struggled with money until they started actually using it, and learned about a whole lot more than just money by riding all over by themselves and using money.

You can't protect them forevah.... eventually they will have to go out into the big bad world...and get some street smarts.

If you do a bit of research you will find an eighth curriculum from 1776 was much more demanding than what is expected of highschool seniors today.

I have a good friend whose wife has home-schooled their two sons since they were old enough to start school. Both are now well-educated, well-adjusted teenagers. She does a great job educating those two boys.

My friend is the breadwinner but his wife used to supplement their income with a hair-dressing parlor they had in their home. Since my friend moved up in his company that is no longer necessary.

They home-schooled their children for the same reasons most home-schoolers I know did; they didn't want the libtard agenda that's been pushed in public schools for decades shoved down their sons' throats.

I would bet the the education those two boys have so far received is far superior than what they could have obtained in public school. And it is absent the multiple-gender, gender-neutral pronoun, man-made global warming, Tommy-has-two-daddies and all the other ridiculous libtard bullcrap currently pushed in public schools.

Street smarts? You mean like how to protect themselves?

It's ok, personally I have never understood why people would send their children to failing public schools, so they could load up on material wealth. I thought once I became a parent my priority was raising and getting those children ready for when they left the nest. After that, I would have plenty of time to start filling my pockets full of wealth again.

Bernie hit on it.

Public schools are full.of weird kids too.
Many of these kids that don't fit in PS are pulled and then homeschooled BECAUSE they couldn't fit in.
They'd be weird either way.
Sort of skews the data.


Full disclosure, all our kids were homeschooled, some until middle or high school, some until.college.

LOL, we always used to.hear, " Wow, I'd never have guessed your kids are homeschooled, they seem so normal!"

Free thinkers, mature, and successful.
Well, waiting to.see how the last one turns out, lol

All well and good...as long as you had enough flow to pay the mortgage..heat ..lights.. food clothing..Dr Bills.. car repairs..house repairs..and the list goes on and on.

Nothing against HSing. The problem I have with it is are they getting taught what they need to be successful for a college grad. I do know of one family that have HSed. The thing that stands out with those late teen and young adults is that they have social issues, and it has been hard for them to relate to others in the work force and their private lives. I know some here will say you don't need to be a college grad etc.. True but the world needs people that continue to carry us along with professional college degrees.

Just the observation and what has happened in their life as a young adult so far. None have furthered their education and have min wage job and not a career that will take them into retirement years.

Also not saying this is a normal situation in how all HSed kids move forward. I'm just given an example of the one family I can comment on with observation.

No one fought the homeschooling movement more than the NEA. A failing public school system demanding your kids adhere to their curriculum and oversight.

homeschooling varies as much as public school

think how hard metro Baltimore or other similar districts fail students

good school or bad I can basically tell you who will do decent and who won't by Christmas eve of Kindergarten.

a very simple litmus test and it has zero to do with the kids aptitude or intelligence.

it has everything to do with the parents level of involvement and attitude.

Parental expectation and involvement. if you are expected to be a B student or higher , you are held to that and your parents give you all the help and tools to reach that , you will seldom see a kid fall short of that on a regular basis. someone is going to get a C some times but it won't be the every semester.

we home schooled for 7 years
for my oldest that was 2nd through 8th grade
for the next it was 1st thru 7th and my youngest went to school in 2nd grade they wanted to and they put up such a fight to homeschooling it was the right thing for them even if I don't feel they got the education their siblings did in the end.

it is a financial burden , it takes one parent with a strong income and some sacrifices.

you are still paying school taxes and you are buying books and supplies that can get expensive , good text books aren't cheap.

you need to spend some time socializing , 4-H , home school groups , church.
if your using home schooling as a way to hide away from people , they will be stunted in their social development
on the flip side where 5th graders are already engaging in sex isn't healthy either. They aren't stunted they are damaged and at a young age it has bad effects but maybe more hidden under the surface of emotional development.

letting them be kids for a few more years can give them better tools to deal with social pressures while they build reasoning skills on other more age appropriate explorations like small engines , trapping , hunting , cooking , farming ,animal husbandry.

of my 3 kids no one graduated with less than a 3.5gpa from high school.
2 are in college
the oldest is on track to graduate high honors from the UW in December with an art education degree a teaching certificate and a art history minor.
Middle child tried college during covid , then worked 2 years in a factory and is now back as a full time student to be a machinist and CNC tech.
my youngest who spent the most time in public school is working and figuring out what they want to do in the future , they completed a CNA program in high school but decided that wasn't the work they wanted to do.

Who on here were publicly schooled or home schooled.
I went to public school all the way thru,then travelled and worked abroad to expand my life experience.
Growing up I spent all my spare time playing hockey and hunting trapping fishing canoeing swimming water skiing camping and learning the bush.I also worked as a kid to earn money-paper route,work on farms loading hay bales,cut lawns shovel snow,pick and sell dew worms,anything to earn a bit of spending money,which I spent on knives guns fishing stuff,etc.
I consider it all part of my education.I had some really great teachers in public school,the ones in high school I butted heads with fairly regularly always challenging their "views".

Let me add to the list. Cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, big screen tv, play station, bass boat, atv, eating out, camper, vacations, etc

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I had some of the greatest teachers that one could have in public school. My 1 thru 6 were absolutely role models for me as I entered the upper grades.

I thought the NEA was a big proponent of low student teacher ratios? Can't get much lower than 1 to 1.

I’ve seen mixed results from homeschooling,,,, some real winners and some super losers


The key with the super winners was homeschooling in conjunction with travelling abroad

The losers seemed too have the common thread of not really socializing


Covid screwed over a whole generation of young people. Very few kids excelled at homeschooling during the lockdowns

I was public schooled K-12 and then went to a tech school, my wife was home schooled K-12 and then graduated magna cum laude from a prestigious private university.

I'm a weirdo, she's a social butterfly that runs a mother's non-profit organization and a youth non-profit organization. You'd never know she was homeschooled if you met her.

I was publicly schooled for all but 1/2 of one glorious year. I despised school. I had nothing in common with my schoolmates. I was the only girl that hunted, trapped or fished and so of course they all thought I was weird for that. Then, in the 8th grade, I fell and broke my leg in several places. The school allowed my mom to homeschool me during the recovery which ended up being the rest of the school year. It wasn't really homeschooling in the sense they do it today. The curriculum was the one the school used and they sent my mother the required readings and such, I was still technically considered a member of the public school.

I loved it! I'd wake up and work on schooling right off and usually be done before noon, giving me the rest of the afternoon to myself, which would have been even more glorious if I could have gotten around better. When I was in school, the bus didn't bring me home until 4:30pm. I remember certain things about that time like reading one of the assigned novels with my mother. The book was Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, and I remember sitting in the springtime sunshine on the porch and she'd read a chapter, then I'd read a chapter and we'd discuss the story afterwards. It was great.

I went back to school in 9th grade but after my hiatus I despised it even more. In tenth grade, I dropped out. I waited the year NYS law required I wait before taking my GED, then enrolled in community college. I was on the last semester of my Sophmore year when my high school class showed up for the first semester of their Freshman year. Oddly, perhaps, but I loved college every bit as much as I hated high school. I've always loved learning, I just hated the toxic environment of public grade/high school.

Remote learning does not equal homeschooling, lol

That sounds like laziness and more opportunities to sponge off the taxpayer.

I don’t see the difference

A quick Google will show you 90% of public school teachers vote Democrat. That reality is reflected in our country today.

Huh?
We made it work, but we were determined to make it work, while well below this area's average income.

Priorities.

Look up John Taylor Gatto.
Teacher of the Year.
Who advocated homeschooling...

The parents probably were not prepared ( or even capable ) and/ or motivated to deal with actually educating their children.

True

And how many public school students are doing the exact same thing? The vast majority of them are not prepared for college. That's why so many have to take remedial math and English their freshman year.

we're very fortunate that there's a small Christian-based private school in our area that we send our two kids to . . also fortunately the Mrs and I are on the same page that if there came a point where we could not financially swing that school then she would home-school them . . and to the argument that home school and private school kids are 'weird,' well if public/government school kids are what's considered 'normal' then I'll gladly take weird

and I also completely agree with the statement that if you send your kids to public/government-run schools in todays age then yes, you do co-parent with the government

Really ,? You cant be serious.

I think there's a big difference in public school in a city with hundreds in a graduating class and public school in rural communities that have 52 in a class like mine or 12 in a class like the rival school down the road.
The Amish have there own public schools also around here, but kids are out of school by what we consider the 8th grade and then they go home to work and get married.
A huge percentage of people turn out just fine in public schools just as they do in homeschools. I know teachers in public schools that are unfit to teach and also homeschool parents that are unfit.
To me it's 6 of these and a half dozen of the other.

I'd be interested to know how many advocating for homeschooling were sent to public school or homeschooled themselves.

This is an interesting concept. So a grandchild of mine just went on public school sponsored trip to to Europe. I took my homeschooled daughter to Europe when she was 14. She helped plan and book the whole trip. She helped learn and navigate and book the planes, trains, boats, hotels, subway systems and tourist attractions. Who do you think learned more life skills? The public school student who went on canned tour or the homeschooled student?

This massive lurch to the left our country is experiencing was incubated in public education. Every conservative should applaud homeschooling.

Where to begin. What's important to you in life is the first question? $$ seems to be the original posters hang up or one of them. So I can start there.

It's all lifestyle choices. Live within you means and don't chase the newest or best fad to get your money. My wife stays home because she wants to educate our kids. Not pawn them off on someone else and put them in a place with others in charge that push an agenda and may have a confused morale compass at best.
Also why she didn't bother finishing here teaching degree with double majors. She saw how the system was and was heading and wanted no part of it.


So I don't drive a new truck but a 97 wife has a 19 van. I don't have new fancy phones just old models that get the job done. I work a lot of ot. I don't have to because I can easily get buy on 32hr but I chose to so I can retire at 57. I make 28.26 an hour so obviously I'm not rich or a high roller. But some how I I'm 43 and only have about 20k total Debt it's less but I don't know the exact #. I also have more than that in the bank and can pay it all off if I chose. But half of that is 1.8% interest and I am making 5% on money in the bank so that debt is making money and I still have a years emergency fund available. I max out retirement savings farm paid cash for it. Have around 750k + in assets. I guess I'm doing ok for a kid raised by a single mom. So you don't have to be rich or make a ton of money to homeschool.. But knowing how to save and make good choices.

Homeschool is expensive. I spend thousands on books a year. It also takes a lot of time and dedication. I'm blessed my wife has the desire and ability to do it. I promise I would be in prison the first te a teacher told my kids they could choose their sex or anything like that woke bs crap.

Your right they don't get the socialization like public school. To me that is a good thing. Instead of getting sex, drugs and that crap pushed on them they have other things they talk about with their friends like live stock needsz fund raising and event planning with 4H and youth group.

Are my kids weird ABSOLUTELY compared to the kids in public school. You see mine are very successful hunters, trap,shoot, process and clean game, milk animals, tap maple trees and understand the natural world and their place in it . They are very good at everything they try. My youngest put a new motor in our jd gator sxs in 4.5 hrs when he was 9 years old. They think for themselves and can figure things out on their own but know where to go to get info and how to decide if a source is a good one and if the info is slanted.

My kids are involved in sports currently wrestling and doing very well. My wife and other home school mom friends get together and teach each other kids in subject the mom's are not as strong in or sometimes it just to change it up and give the kids a different approach from a different teacher. Sometime when things are explained different they click better .

They can get a full day off school done in about 3 hours without all the wasted time in public schools

It's like anything you get out of it what you put into it . What you prioritize shows clearly in your actions. I work a lot so my family can live the lifestyle we chose and so I will be able to retire early comfortablely. I can do it on a single income at $28.26 because of how we live and what we value. You don't have to be rich or live poor.

So if you want a conversation on many topics or to learn about anything outdoors especially have a conversation with my 12 and 13 year old. You will get more out of time talking with them than any 20 collage students combined. And one thing you will notice is if my kids are not sure or don't know something they will say so and not act like they know..

I hope this was not to rambling I have had I 4 16hr shifts in a roll and going back for more at 7. Going to take a 4 hr or so nap now.

So you have comprehension issues as well?

Most learning during covid lockdowns was remote, but still directed from.same school system.child was in before lockdowns.

Ie, just because you're being schooled at home, it's still by your local.school system, and that's not what homeschooling commonly refers to.

LOL, same folks that scream about childcare costs, while chasing that green.
Sorry, but we didn't farm out our child raising.

Again, priorities....

Funny my daughter has a 4.0 cumulative in here collage classes she has taken. She excels at everything she does. Just picking a lane is tough when she had so many choices available

Honestly college is over sold and very often under delivers. I work with a guy that has a master, girl working the gas station has a batchlers, as did the counter work at McDonald's earlier this week. The common opinion was it a wast of time and now 2 have debt that's holding them back.

If home schoolers want a college degree. ....What is their process ? Without actually going to a .. Democrat run University ?

Oh...today is the NH primary ...just voted .

We homeschool our kids. Pretty funny how indoctrinated some people are.
You wanna rely on the goverment to raise your kid that's your buisness.
But some of us are capable of thinking for ourselves.

My wife and I both public schooled, both have M.S. degrees now. We put raising our kids first and homeschooled them the first 12 -14 years of their life. We are strongly leaning on neither child going to college.

The John Gatto book is excellent.

See a lot of comments on the kids being socially compromised


I only know 2 families that have truly normal kids, and home schooling is big were I live in WA

It is all about "what else you give e them"

We did it ,for a few years,,,, but my kids were always skipping class with the principal

Ended up with two civil superintendents and a electrical engineer

Dirt, not knowing the girls and being a random dude on the internet,,,


It’s been my experience that the girl who home schooled and travelled. Has the advantage, big time!


Haveing said that ,,, public/private students/military kids that travel/student exchange programs etc,,,,,,,, do better than students that don’t travel


The key is travelling

Seeing other parts of the world, and learning

I was public school K-12 then tech school 2 years then finished up a bachelors degree in night school

my wife was Catholic school K-12 then traditional 4 year college.

2 of my 3 saw Catholic school then public then homeschool then public again
the youngest never saw Catholic school.

of the people in our home school group seems every kid I have seen become an adult is doing well , yes even the "un-schoolers" .
who other than their parents cares more about setting them up for success.

one of the unstructured home schoolers un-schooler both parents were authors and ran small businesses, both had worked in corporate marketing and were tired of it when they moved rural and started a family to get away from their fortune 500 9-5 in the city.
that kid had a market garden and was learning business while his peers were in the 8th grade.
his math homework was filing his taxes , and monitoring his income and expenditures.
how many high school students even leave ready to do personal taxes let along small business taxes.

self supporting , non violent , healthy people , who first do no harm to society , could we be so lucky to have all the public school grads come out that way.
there are a LOT of dysfunctional bums who graduate high school and eventually work in a some job they seldom do not high , they drink away their checks on friday and stumble in to work Monday begging lunch off co-workers. worse the ones who are a little smarter figure out how to get on the dole and live on your tax dollars.

with what I have said above , my youngest works with 2 kids from the same family at a local restaurant they home school but also belong to some cult internet religion and basically would seem the parents use this to control them and have a thumb on everything they do. but let them work and they can work when most kids are in school. so even the weird cult online religion home schooling family is at least producing kids who can hold a job.
even if they seem off in other ways.

Now all of a sudden the younger crowd is a self sufficient, well trained and reliable. That’s amazing who knew.

Nessie you gotta get out more. LOL There are more private colleges than there are public colleges. Hundreds of Christian colleges that provide high quality academics, much better than your kids will ever get at a public university.

Lurch to the left....I like that phrase!

When our local school wanted to organize the europe trips,the kids had to do their own fundraising throughout the year.and they were involved in the itinerary and travel planning.
I know they learned a lot,cause by default the parents were involved also.
Of course the whole community supported the kids efforts 1oo%

Our kids have always been homeschooled and I'm thankful every day that they haven't gone to public school. The biggest thing I've noticed about homeschool families is that they are very family oriented and the kids tend to be more mature. There are many things that I enjoy about homeschooling but I really like the flexibility we have so that we can do things that public school kids can't. How many kids in public school can take an afternoon break to go fishing, hunting, check traps, or skin their catch? I've been around homeschool kids and I've been around public school kids and imo public school kids are weird..............................

take the ACT your score will likely get you into most colleges if you got the core of math , reading comprehension , ect..

in WI home schooling is just private education, we qualified for all the same field trip discounts as any other school
my kids would go on a fields trip and see kids from all sorts of other schools wearing t-shirts with school color and logo
so my wife had some t-shirts made up with the logo River Day school made reservations using River Day School

had they graduated home school high school you write them out a diploma

any kid is going to need ACT or SAT for college entrance.

My wife and I were just today talking about starting our son in school. He turned 3 in December and currently goes to daycare at a facility that my cousin owns/runs. She does a good job, so no problems there. We are most likely going to move him to a private Catholic school within the next few months though. They also have a daycare, and he would roll right into pre-k. Cost is very similar to what we currently pay, but he gets more exposure to learning about Catholicism and a better understanding of it when he is around it every day. Small class size is great, no government curriculum is great, and the teachers don't have an agenda. I also feel this would be much safer than a public school. If the only option that I had would be sending him to a public school.......I'd quit my job and homeschool him. That's how little I think about public schools anymore. I don't need my son to be corrupted by some confused, gender neutral, left wing, pedophile's ideology. Not saying every public school has those, but I know that the private school doesn't. It may be costly, but my kid is worth it.

X2 Homeschooled kids seem more mature.

Home schooled my step daughter until she was 13 and we moved into town. She meshed into the public school easily and had no 'socialization' issues.
Today she has a 100 ton master mariner's license and two kids of her own that work with her.

The two kids across the road from me are 14 & 16 years old. Boy & girl. Both home schooled from the outset.
The 14 y/o boy spent part of this past summer participating in classes and activities at the US Naval Academy. He plans to pursue that career. His 16 y/o sister is currently enrolled in online calculus classes through Princeton. She plans to pursue engineering. Both are well rounded social beings.

I have seen a lot of H/S kids around here and only one was a flop. But his mom was barely bright enough to tie her shoes so the kid was at a disadvantage from the start.

Have taught for 27 years, Conservative, and even show Jeremiah Johnson in class. Lumping all public schools and teachers together equates to watching some poorly done trapping video on Youtube and saying that is all trappers. Home schooling works for some but not all. I know of one family that home schooled correctly. All of the rest have some degree of not being comfortable in public. If I taught in the city it would be at a private school and that is where my kids would go as well. It is great that it works for some but there is a reason society went to public education and this was done well over 100 years before liberalism and indoctrination issues.

That reason is because people were told and conditioned to the idea that having someone else be responsible for the education of your children is the norm, when in fact, it's just a new fad. All a part of the breakup of traditional home life from the industrial revolution.

And that's not to knock you as a teacher. There's plenty of good public school teachers, just like there's plenty of awful homeschool teachers. I know a woman who homeschools, who can barely read. But the outsourcing of the teaching of children cam about as a result of the industrial revolution, when parents starting working outside of the home, and weren't around to teach children, plus the industrial "system" needed good little worker bees trained for them.

Reason: literacy and education in general was lacking as people did not have the time, or the knowledge, to educate their kids. If one cannot read and write then the kids are doomed from the start. Good for those that do it well. Snow day and out on this topic.

Fortunately, thanks to public education, parents now have the skills to teach their own children.

Studies have shown that homeschool kids test just as good if not better than public school kids. I've noticed teachers get butthurt over homeschooling because parents who don't have a degree in teaching are doing better at teaching their kids and they do it A LOT cheaper than public schools can.

A lotta freaks meth heads and junkies are likely turning out some great homeschooled kids.

Pubic school of 100 years ago was nothing like State or Federal schools of today.

my grandmother went to a one room school house passed last year at 95
teachers went to teachers college and a board , a school board of the parents of the kids in the township or even a portion of the township hired a teacher. the teacher was a town employee but mostly an employee of the half dozen or so families that made up the school board they interviewed and selected the teacher. if the teacher told them of a discipline issue they dealt with it.

what we have today is a muddled mass state and federal school and not one of intense local control

a concept that school is something owed to you and use more as a daycare than a learning institution provided by the parents , and idea of a mother state that provides.
what mother state provides mother state can indoctrinate , change and control through mandates funded or unfunded.

yes the small towns , villages and cities still have a more control but at the same time are chasing and relying on state and federal $.
I grew up in and lived in small towns were I know people on the school board.

most people today could not name one person on the school board , in big cities school board member became a paid employees who work for more. more funding and more pay and juke the stats , change the tests anything to make it look good to make the money. this happens a the expense of students.

That's a good one lol......how do you know they didn't go to private school or were homeschooled themselves? Parents are the ultimate educator.

Since we're giving anecdotal evidence...Tim Tebow seems to have turned out ok....even after playing at the University of Florida...not exactly a bastion of virtue.

it's all about freedom of choice right
different people learn better different ways
an ideology of one way to teach one way to learn is a broken one intended to turn out serfs for the state.

my child my choice!

or is choice bad when your not screaming about your choice to kill your unborn child?

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What percentage of American students go to public school?

90% or 50.8 million American students go to public school. This figure includes students attending elementary and secondary school."

Source Research .com


The odds are good.

Whos Tim Tebow ?

Ohhh...he's the guy that couldn't throw in the pros.

Good Guy

I wonder if you have ever studied the stated reasons our country went to public schooling- from the founders of it, people like John Dewey. Yeah. Not all “progress” is forward. And there’s all kinds of interesting stuff in the history of American education when you start digging- like the fact that the period around the revolutionary war saw some of the highest literacy rates ever- long before public education.

I’m sorry, but that is an incredibly ignorant statement. Look up the history of literacy rates in America.

Exactly. All of my kids have gone to a small public school and are doing fine.

Downward trajectory for decades.

You are saying public education made the U.S. less literate?

I doubt most people today could pass the 8th grade final test from 100 years ago. If you've seen it, it's a doozy.

One of my best friends and his wife home schooled their 6 kids. I was best man at their wedding. When they first decided to do it, I felt obligated to share my concerns. I told them about my worries about the kids not being properly socialized. They enrolled their kids in sports and other activities. The kids went on field trips with other home schooled kids. The kids played with other kids in the neighborhood. The kids turned out better than fine. They are very successful, happy, well rounded adults now.

I was originally against home schooling. Now after meeting a fairly large number of home schooled people, over many years, I.support it. I.think there are definitely some people that should not home school their children. I think the majority of parents, who choose to home school their children, will have better results than our public school system.

Keith

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You from Kentucky?
Lol lol lol.

One of my best friends has home schooled 4 of his 7 kids.
Best mannered/ hardworking kid anyone could ask for.

When my wife started talking about doing I I was not for it. I worried about socialization and keep up with where they need to be at.

My wife is very smart and we started going to homeschool group activities with a few home school groups. You could say I was ambushed.

What I saw were the most well spoken well rounded kids with incredible vocabulary and variety of interest.

There was a group of teen boys playing basketball hard one day. A toddler went out on the court going after a ball I jumped up as fast as I could to try to get the kid before he got ran over and trampled I was to far away to get to him in time. But it didn't matter. Everyone of those boys stopped and the one with the ball handed it to the toddler and picked him up to the basket so he could try to make one.

In every public school I have been in that kid would have been knocked down and trampled.

I guess that was one of the several moments that changed my mind about homeschool.

We homeschooled all my kids. Not one regret. They all have jobs and don’t ask me for money or live in my house. I prefer to be around my kids more than most adults. No one can question their work ethic or integrity. Socially and professionally they are extremely successful. My family doesn’t fit the snooty narrative presented here.

Dirt,
Since you are posting on the internet, I'd ASSUME you'd realize that the entire world is available, at your fingertips.
Lot of resources out there.

And as the late,great Norm MacDonald once commented;
" What do.you need to teach the 3rd grade?
A FOURTH grade education?"

My wife is a retired Public School (English) Teacher and a Principal. She will be the first one to recommend keeping your child OUT of the Public school. All of our kids went to Private Christian schools. They then went on to colleges. Christian schools do NOT go for the indoctrination of our kids and Public schools are a racist indoctrinated failure. My wife saw kids that never showed up for class and were failed get Parents to claim Racism and the School Superintendent change the grades especially when it came to getting statistics up for funding. I will also state that with the Illegals coming into Public Schools NONE of them have been Vaccinated and now Parents are being FORCED to Home school kids since some schools are being used to house Illegals. So much for paying taxes for education.

Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.

Seems a bit hypocritical on the teacher's part then, doesn't it? It's okay to teach other kids for the paycheck, but for their own kids to learn?

I do a lot I don't want to do fro my pay check and benefits, in the hopes my kids will not have to do what I do but have a better choice on what they would like to do.
I do what I thin is best for my kids.

Since they have a much better look and inside understanding of the public school system I would expect no less from them if they are not lock step in line with the indoctrination program.

My dad is a good example of stuck in the mind set schools are like they were when he was in school in the 60s and 70s but even he has slowly woken up to the fact they are not.

Hypocritical? No. Not at all.

My wife went back into teaching in the public school system for one reason - she felt like it was her mission field. When you have kids that are abandoned and led astray by their own parents (if they are around), and can't figure out what pronoun to use as they can't figure out what sex they are - we need help. This is in a small rural school. When kids are drawn to my wife as she speaks the truth and shows them absolute love by telling them how God created them and they have a divine purpose and hope - I see her being effective. When she is voted best teacher by the students and I watch them talk about her - I can't be selfish and only have her raise our children. My kids are pretty well grounded in Christ, not perfect, but we have chosen to be the light for others in our community and let them know Jesus loves them. Its definitely NOT about the paycheck for teaching for us. The Lord has blessed us with my job and it likely costs us more than my wife brings in with her teaching position.

I have to laugh at this opening statement, perhaps your wife was the problem then! In charge of a school, she recommends people not attend. That's so SAD it is not even funny.
Her school is good enough for others but not your own kids that's pathetic, as a leader of a school and children she should have been removed.


"Christian schools do NOT go for the indoctrination of our kids and Public schools are a racist indoctrinated failure. ]"
Christian schools do NOT go for indoctrination? Seriously, that statement is a bald-faced lie. Just because you agree with it does not mean it is not indoctrination. The one reason I disagree with the voucher system in WI is my money (tax dollars) should not be going to teach others corrupt religious views. Yes, I consider most religions corrupt, they are corrupted by man.

Truth .44WCF

My initial thought would be to agree with your comments but in light of the post above yours I'm not sure I do. I'm sure you know a principal only has so much sway within the school and most of the policies and procedures come from the superintendent and the school board. So if her superiors were pushing an agenda she didn't want her kids exposed to, what could she really do? She should quit, is my first thought. But maybe that's wrong. Maybe she can implement a small sense of normalcy in school with lunatic policies. She may not be able to change the policies, but she may be able to determine what "punishments" kids receive for breaking those policies. For example a kid who is sent to the principal's office for calling a biological male he instead of she could be sentenced to an afternoon of ISS in the principal's office as opposed to out of school suspension or worse.

I don't know, it's a hard situation and one I'm glad I'm not in. If I was a principal of a school and the school board and super started implementing all kinds of woke policies I'd probably have to quit as I doubt could play nice enough to keep my job.

Well, all my formal education was in public schools. I was taught how to read in elementary school. Reading is pretty low on the education scale. If I remember right, it is 1st through 3rd grade. However, I could teach my children, physics, chemistry, calculus, German, and other sciences. If you can read, you can pretty much teach and learn other unfamiliar subjects from the textbooks you purchase. However, TEACHING, in itself is a skill. It is one thing to have knowledge, it is another to transmit it to another. Like the teacher posted here earlier many people lacked the knowledge/skills to teach before public education. They probably did and many public school failures probably still do. My statement was sarcasm.

I was educated in a small rural public school then went on to college, I think no matter how you are educated it depends on the teachers and parents in the end, I have said before that schools should be paid for by property tax only so that local people have the say in what is being taught to the kids.

There should be zero property taxes for any reason.

The reason I like property taxes paying for school and not state or federal money is then the education is controlled by the local community and no one is answering to the state or federal government.

Taught and coached for over forty years, principals set the tone, run the school day to day. They are the hands on day yo day over watch of the classroom. While the board and superintendent set policy the principal runs the building. Principal has incredible impact and control.

The Last people I would want my kids to learn social skills from are the typical public school kids their own age. I want my boots to learn to behave like well mannered adults - not immature, Ritalin filled hellions attending the public schools.

I have one soon who is very socially awkward and shy. His little brother is very outgoing and very popular with kids and adults alike. Both are homeschooled just the same.

Some off the most impressive young men I know are public school educated.

Yep . . and I hear a lot that 'they'll be in the real world someday and will have to learn to deal with those kind of people" . . yep, that's no doubt true but it will be when they are more mature and have a solid moral and ethical base due to controlling the influence they're getting when they're of the age where they're easily swayed

this is a passage taken from a book called Expository Parenting:

"If a child spends 10,800 hours (minimum) in a public school, that’s how many hours they spend among their peers. Consider: 20-30 other children the same age in the same class, spending 7-8 hours per day with minimal supervision. Because let’s face it: a teacher cannot monitor everything happening all day with that many students.

Peer pressure is still a problem. In fact, the ramifications of peer pressure are exponentially worse today. Even if you have strict limits on your child’s exposure to internet or entertainment, there’s very little you can do about what they see and hear with friends. And in any given school, the majority of the students are sporting smartphones with social media and YouTube, at the very least.

Given this reality, please understand that children will talk to other children about what they’ve seen, what they believe, and who they ultimately trust. They will naturally talk about worldview (even if they don’t realize it), origins, sex, God, and all manner of topics.

Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm. (Proverbs 13:20)

Don’t misunderstand: your children are going to be exposed to all kinds of ideas. They will access the internet. They will have friends who are raised differently than them.

But if they spend those extra 10,800 hours with you as their primary influence, the impact will be quite different. The goal is not to hide them from the world, or to pretend these things doesn’t exist. The goal is to teach and expose at the proper time and in the proper manner.

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. (Psalm 1:1-2)

You have been given a very short window of time to raise your sons and daughters to adulthood. 18-20 years is shorter than you think. But that window of time can be stretched when they are home with you.

Make the most of childhood by being there. Be the primary influence on your children. Talk to them, disciple them, and be a wall between them and the world"

Obviously you have very limited intelligence and verbal understanding!!! REREAD!!! The Principal does NOT have the authority to change a grade but the SUPERINTENDENT DOES!!! If a child only shows up for classes a few times a semester and is failed yet the Parent can go above the Principals head to the Super and get him a passing grade show us all on here how that eas her being the problem!!! ALSO Einstein, when you have Gang Bangers going to High school to pimp out young girls you do NOT see that in a CHRISTIAN School. One thing is for sure your hatred of religion is loud and clear!!!

I have to laugh at this opening statement, perhaps your wife was the problem then! In charge of a school, she recommends people not attend. That's so SAD it is not even funny.
Her school is good enough for others but not your own kids that's pathetic, as a leader of a school and children she should have been removed.


"Christian schools do NOT go for the indoctrination of our kids and Public schools are a racist indoctrinated failure. ]"
Christian schools do NOT go for indoctrination? Seriously, that statement is a bald-faced lie. Just because you agree with it does not mean it is not indoctrination. The one reason I disagree with the voucher system in WI is my money (tax dollars) should not be going to teach others corrupt religious views. Yes, I consider most religions corrupt, they are corrupted by man.
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My initial thought would be to agree with your comments but in light of the post above yours I'm not sure I do. I'm sure you know a principal only has so much sway within the school and most of the policies and procedures come from the superintendent and the school board. So if her superiors were pushing an agenda she didn't want her kids exposed to, what could she really do? She should quit, is my first thought. But maybe that's wrong. Maybe she can implement a small sense of normalcy in school with lunatic policies. She may not be able to change the policies, but she may be able to determine what "punishments" kids receive for breaking those policies. For example a kid who is sent to the principal's office for calling a biological male he instead of she could be sentenced to an afternoon of ISS in the principal's office as opposed to out of school suspension or worse.

I don't know, it's a hard situation and one I'm glad I'm not in. If I was a principal of a school and the school board and super started implementing all kinds of woke policies I'd probably have to quit as I doubt could play nice enough to keep my job.[/quote]
Yotetrapper, my wife took a retirement instead of watching parents get their way. She was also fed up with Gang Bangers using schools as a way to push drugs and pimp out little girls. Now I never said all Public schools were that bad but inner city Milwaukee DEFINITELY has some bad ones and if you have a Superintendent that only cares about statistics in Passing kids to get Funding then some people should get some more info before accusing other people and making themselves out to be a LIAR!!!