I wonder if his sidearm is the only tool he had. If so, he/they were poorly equipped officers. They were obviously not trained to handle such a situation. Why? Who knows?

What about pepper spray. That would have turned that crowd immediately, especially in an indoor environment. The officers would have to pull back some too with pepper spray, but it would've worked.

A taser would have stopped Ms Babbitt. One or two taser collapsings and the crowd would've pulled back after watching that.

An asp baton whack on the elbows or hands would guarantee that person's withdrawal back thru that window. Coming thru that window was like a funnel...one at a time.

Last, but not least, smacking em by hand at they poked thru that window.That officer was a good-sized dude...

While we are engaging in "what if's"...I have to wonder if there were other officers with Byrd, were they also armed ? If they were armed, did they draw their weapons? If not.....why not ?

I understand what you are saying. But you have given an expert opinion that deadly force was not justified. When I asked what other options are available, you wondered whether they had pepper spray; assumed a taser would have stopped her and caused others to not come through the window; and, assumed a baton would have stopped them (if he had one). You also assumed there was more than one officer there in that hall to stop the rioting mob. I guess you are also assuming the mob doesn't get the officer's weapon or just beat him to death.

Your baton option makes the most sense--if they had one. At least as a temporary measure. But I don't think he could take on a rioting mob with a baton. Maybe you have in the woods of Georgia.

We're just batting around opinions here, but I have bad news for you having spent 25 years trying lawsuits. You wouldn't qualify as an expert in this case. I have more bad news for the group. Assuming the DOJ or some insurance company doesn't cave with a settlement, it is a defense verdict 10 out of 10 times in this case.

Again, I am no fan of the DOJ. But I am also not a fan of people being misled. So, at least we cleared up that Ashli Babbitt was not a peaceful tourist just strolling through the capital.

I have to get ready for real Court tomorrow. Adios all!

Using your "logic" everything you said would justify every police use of lethal force....not even close to real world.

There were other officers on both sides of the door. What's puzzling is the three officers that were on the left side of the door
moved past Ashley and then proceeded down the stairs just prior to Byrd advancing his weapon forward and firing.

Here is another angle of footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSt2LJWokI0

An interesting excerpt from the actual complaint filed by Babbitt's family. Apparently from the CP radio logs of that day.

At line 15 in the complaint.

15. At 2:45 p.m., or within one minute after shooting Ashli, Lt. Byrd made the following radio call: " 405B. We got shots fired in the lobby. We got shots shots fired in the lobby of the House chamber. Shots are being fired at us and we’re sh, uhh, prepared to fire back at them. We have guns drawn. Please don’t leave that end. Don’t leave that end". Approximately 35 seconds later, Lt. Byrd made another radio call, stating, “405B. We got an injured person. I believe that person was shot.” In fact, no shots were fired at Lt. Byrd or his fellow officers. The only shot fired was the single shot Lt. Byrd fired at Ashli. He heard the loud noise of the gunshot. He saw her fall backwards from the window frame.

Well I think it is blain by now just who is chicken crap enough to shot first and ask questions later. Might not want to walk while black in Oklahoma.

I will add that after 27 years in LE that I'm very, very pro-law enforcement. I've argued for LE many times when an anti-police post was made on here...usually centered around a questionable officer-involved shooting.

Yet...the Ashli Babbitt incident has me on the other side this time. I simply cannot defend what I saw in those videos, and I've tried, using my years of training and experience. I've tried, but I can't.

You're a liar watch the video and quit lying.

I can only imagine the turmoil. I, too, am by default a back the blue law and order type. Even though I've been on both sides of that in my life, lol. I've been the victim of criminals wearing a badge, falsely accused on another occasion and rightly dealt with by honorable officers at other times. So I struggle between defund and back but by and large I'm a back the honorable.

I count you among the honorable.

Thank you for holding to a higher morality.

Knock it off with the name calling.

I wouldn't hold a lot of stock in the officers statements. The first thing they're trained to say is "I was afraid for my life and and the lives of others"
which may, or may not be the truth....

I don't know of ANY modern day law enforcement that is only equipped with a firearm. Especially with the build up of J6 and No reasonable man would believe otherwise.. I'm surprised at some on here, you guys are quite comical to the point of being really disheartening and sad that you're even on here.

You can talk till your blue in the face but it will not make any difference to him no matter how many facts you provide. Sad but he is a lost cause.. and not worth the time..

So, if you think someone is being an idiot, now it is ok to just shoot them?

Well, that would make it a whole lot simpler for law inforcement going forward.

I think I recall you arguing that Rittenhouse should be charged/convicted. that doesn't jive with your CURRENT statement, does it?

BC for President 2024!!!
He may not make much sense at all, and has trouble with logic and reason, but he can sure can put some words and sentences together. Better than what we have in office now.
I'm fixin to have some shirts made.
On the front, Blain "Pie hole" County, for President. (Why? Well who doesn't enjoy pie?)
On the back, At least I am not Let's Go Brandon, nor Donald Adolf Trump.

I have no idea why you folks continue to entertain the clown known as blaine county, by his/hers post he's more than likely a plant...

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Mike

I agree. The cops should have shot a few more of them.

Jim

Not to be outdone are you, jimbo?