https://mustreadalaska.com/jan-6-ju...itt-who-was-shot-dead-by-capitol-police/

For those that don't want to read:
Lt. Byrd later confessed that he shot Ashli before seeing her hands or assessing her intentions or even identifying her as female. Ashli was unarmed. Her hands were up in the air, empty, and in plain view of Lt. Byrd and other officers in the lobby.”
Lt. Byrd, who was not in uniform, did not identify himself as a police officer or otherwise make his presence known to Babbitt. He did not give her any warnings or commands before slaying her.
Lt. Byrd’s police powers had been revoked prior to this incident, “for failing to meet or complete semiannual firearms qualification requirements.
Lt. Byrd’s police powers also were revoked for a prior off-duty shooting into a stolen, moving vehicle in which the occupants were teenagers or juveniles. The stolen vehicle was Lt. Byrd’s own car. He fired multiple shots at the fleeing vehicle in a suburban area. Stray bullets from Lt. Byrd’s firearm struck the sides of homes nearby. An official investigation found that Lt. Byrd’s use of force was not justified, Judicial Watch says in the lawsuit. Therefore, Capitol Police should have known he was not suited for the assignment of being the incident commander.

Pretty sad situation.

Only person to die that day, yet MSM claims as many as 5 died that day.
Funny the officer is black and the victim is white!
No big deal to MSM.

It is called MURDER and the facts prove it!!!

The execution on video proves it! Can you IMAGINE a white cop shooting an unarmed black guy or gal in the brain on camera trying to storm a police department during the Summer of George?

Im surprized only one got shot.
You would think the law would have opened up on a mob trying to get in and hang Mike Pence.
Like the National Guard did in Ohio.

Crawl back into your hole!

You first

LOL

You better not follow me either ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The one you were hiding in when your peeps needed you.LOL

You know too much!
Now I know too much about you.

The entire January 6 episode was a made for TV movie. That murderer was the only one who didn't follow the script.
Nancy Pelosi denied requests to have the National Guard there so that none of the Fed plants who were imbedded inside would get shot.
Why do you think that Pelosi would not release all of the security camera footage from that day? I'll answer that for you. Releasing the footage would have exposed the whole thing as the ruse that it was.
On its face, the premise of Trump and his so-called supporters would plan on interrupting the very last chance of actually investigating what really went on in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Arizona, Wisconsin, etc is ludicrous.

It's now coming out with video of the capital police purposely provoking the crowd with indiscriminate use of flash bangs and rubber bullets. They wanted violence.

Where is the accountability for the individuals that sat on that?

She was an idiot J6 rioter that tried climbing through a broken window to get to the house chamber in the Capital.

It happens.

Blain a rioters does not get let in the capital and guided through it by the capital police. Either your ingorant of the footage released of this and Buffalo horn guy saying a prayer and giving thanks for the capital police or your just hopeless and I lose what respect I had for you.

Doesn't look like she's being guided by capital police. She's the idiot climbing through the smashed window.

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/7Z3YBtzwmHk?si=QspD7t8szGV8N58U[/video]

Short 30 second video everyone should watch before giving an opinion.

Just remember folks that we have feds imbedded in our ranks, just like Jan 6. It doesn't take much to figure out who they are by what some say and ask. Some just monitor topics and comments They keep things churned up here as well.

You got a lure for them? lol. Off topic, but I'm trying that Sierra Mist you make for the first time this season and give it "two thumbs up".

It happens???
A vet, a wife, a mother, a daughter unarmed and coming thru a piece of glass she did not break, a threat to no one as many capital employees had been encountered without violence of any sort and your response is it happens???
Murdered point blank by a guy who boasted and posted online he wanted to kill any trump supporters he could.
What a puke.

Osky

Byrd is a coward, and since when is it legal to shoot a rioter or trespasser that's unarmed. Cover up for sure as well as the 2 tiered Biden justice system at work.

Did any of y'all watch the video?

The J6 rioters are the equivalent of BLM and ANTIFA. All are potential targets in a riot.

And I am not an expert on use of force. Neither are any of you.

My point is that Ashli Babbit was a misled idiot rioter. A possible result of her behavior was getting shot.

J Stanton, some will come to just about any stink you put out there. That is what they are paid to do. They have to keep an ear on what we think and say. Glad you are seeing some action on the Mist.

I watched it. What is your point? She was not armed, and not an immediate threat to any of those officers.

The protesters are the best armed group on the country yet not a single one took a gun. Worst insurrection planning ever . That's like going hunting and forgetting your gun.

Was she peacefully walking through the capital?

Was she invited by officers to crawl through the smashed window?

Yes. Missed the part where Ashley had a gun in her hand. Maybe it was an invisible knife? Ah, perhaps it was a medieval mace she had hidden behind her back? No?

What I did see was a murderer who had acres of lockable rooms and building behind him to retreat to if he was that afraid of the unarmed woman he chose to shoot point blank, in the neck. Then again with all the chaos and gunfire around this murderer who could bla…. What wait? He was the only guy to use deadly force, fire his weapon, and murder someone? Out of all those thousands of unarmed “insurrectionists” this murderer found the most nefarious one and gunned her down in cold blood?
Trespassing equals murder in your world?

Osky

What was she doing in the video before being shot?

Did you watch the video?

What did grandad say about popping off before watching the video?

She did nothing befor being shot that if I shot her I would not go to jail for had I shot her say in a gas station or anywhere else.

It was murder of an unarmed woman that could have been handcuffed with no issues or made to back down. But since she came at him after his warnings. O wait....

Where is her gun?

Osky

With all that is coming to light do not expect the foolish to admit they were fooled.

After 27 years as a law enforcement officer, I'll say that shooting WAS NOT JUSTIFIED!

Again, I am not an expert in deadly force. Neither are any of you.

A compelling argument could be made that a rioting mob in the U.S. Capital that broke through doors and windows, fought cops and was chanting about hanging Mike Pence is at risk for getting shot by law enforcement.

My point is that Ashli is no martyr. She is no hero. She was a misled idiot that got herself killed.

I am no fan of the feds, but if they try this case it will be a defense verdict. 10 out of 10 times.

Have you been qualified in Court as an expert in the use of force? Have you reviewed all of the evidence?

I respect your service but there's a difference.

I’d consider Clay Higgins an expert in the use of deadly force, given his military and LE background. His interview in the video I posted is very revealing to those not blinded by hatred.

Verbal abuse alone does not give a protective officer the right to use deadly force.
The murderer was not cornered, was not physically threatened, was not restricted in nor limited in means and options of retreat nor was he confronted by any weaponry.
Murder.

Osky

If would not surprise me to find out. Feds instigated most of the Jan 6 riot

Did the officer identify himself, shout out an order to stop? NO

Did he identify his target as male/female, an immediate grave threat? NO

Was she holding a weapon in her open hands, both which are clearly visible? NO

Was she verbalizing threats of grave bodily harm? NO

I'm not an expert on the use of lethal force but even as a layman I know those conditions do not justify the use of deadly force.

Warrior, please cite the evidence you are referring to above. Include evidence on what the officer reasonably perceived or should have reasonably perceived.

Again, I think her family loses the lawsuit 10 out of 10 times. But the jury will get to consider all evidence and sworn testimony. Unlike y'all and me.

Ashli would definitely be convicted of being an idiot rioter on the plain video evidence. She was not a peaceful tourist being escorted through the capital. So let's cut the BS that she's a hero and a martyr.

The old comply or die argument

Why didnt more protesters get shot?

BC, do the research it is now available.

Both video and Byrd's own testimony.

Since there is so much evidence online, where was Ashli going and what was she going to do when she got there?

Guess we will never know since they killed her!

27 years as an LEO...with annual use of force training. I'm way more qualified to call that incident than you are.

Ability, Opportunity, Jeopardy, Preclusion. This is the standard that we were training under. Read the attachment and see if any of it fits Ms. Babbitt. Look at it from the officer's perspective, which is how the courts should consider it.

Ability: did the officer pick her out of the crowd because he thought she alone had the ability to kill or seriously injure him? Did she even have the ability to kill or seriously injure the officer?
Opportunity: did the officer see a weapon in her possession?
Jeopardy: did she threaten the officer's life in a manner than was unmistakable as to her intentions?
Preclusion: did the officer have any other option to prevent being killed or seriously injured by her b4 firing his weapon?

I'm coming up with a "NO" to every one of these questions.

https://useofforce.us/3aojp/

I'm not an attorney, but Im sure I could successfully argue that case for the Babbit family.

Blain. With your thought process or lack of it. I guess som good old boys could get elevated passions behind cover making a cross fire and cut down on all the peaceful protesters burning, raping, abutting and taking over public building and streets and be not guilty of murder. I mean those people were actually committing crimes that harmed others.

I never said I was a use of force expert. You have some training and you have 27 years of experience, but you have not reviewed all of the evidence. Have you read any sworn testimony from the officer?

Should the officer have restrained her when she jumped through window broken by the rioting mob?

Weren't you a game warden? If so, I know you had to arrest people and interacted with dangerous types. But, how many capital buildings did you have to defend in those 27 years?

I have watched the video multiple times.

If she came thru the window, yes..he could've and should've restrained her.

Yes...game warden...that operated under the exact same state Constitution, US Constitution, and Bill of Rights as every other police officer in Georgia and the USA. The building being the Capitol doesn't make any difference. Same laws apply. Are you really an attorney??

Two more questions. I appreciate the discussion.

I asked whether you read any sworn testimony of the officer but I will expand it to any statements by the officer. Isn't his perspective and state of mind vital to determine whether use of force was necessary?

If he had attempted to restrain her, how does he handle the rest of the mob coming through the window?

I have not read any of his statements, but that video is very telling. The video doesn't appear to be a short clip taken out of context of the event.

There appeared to be other officers there. He wasn't alone. But, even if he was, shooting the first perp thru the window wasn't justified at that moment in time (see above AOJP).

Use of force continuum = he/they had other use of force options, but went straight to lethal.

Like what? Remember, he has a rioting mob that is trying to break through a door and has broken through a window to presumably get to house of representatives members. And Mike Pence.

How does he defend himself once the rest of them get through--while trying to cuff Ashli? I count seven others in just that picture.

Did you see anyone else go throught that window? How do you know they were going to follow her? How do you know what they were going to do once they entered if they did?

Surely a couple of the 200+ fbi operatives in the crowd would have assisted in restraining a woman coming through a window. They wanted all (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to break loose when she was shot that it would be lost in the chaos but it didn’t happen.

There is a terrible day coming with no real winners.

It appeared she was the first because the window was just knocked out.

Typically people knock down doors and break windows because they want to go through them. This is especially true for a rioting mob.

Also on the video, one of them yells "he's got a gun!" before Ashli decides to jump through the window. Maybe the rest of them were smart enough to change their minds--especially when the first one goes and gets herself shot.

I wonder if his sidearm is the only tool he had. If so, he/they were poorly equipped officers. They were obviously not trained to handle such a situation. Why? Who knows?

What about pepper spray. That would have turned that crowd immediately, especially in an indoor environment. The officers would have to pull back some too with pepper spray, but it would've worked.

A taser would have stopped Ms Babbitt. One or two taser collapsings and the crowd would've pulled back after watching that.

An asp baton whack on the elbows or hands would guarantee that person's withdrawal back thru that window. Coming thru that window was like a funnel...one at a time.

Last, but not least, smacking em by hand at they poked thru that window.That officer was a good-sized dude...

While we are engaging in "what if's"...I have to wonder if there were other officers with Byrd, were they also armed ? If they were armed, did they draw their weapons? If not.....why not ?

I understand what you are saying. But you have given an expert opinion that deadly force was not justified. When I asked what other options are available, you wondered whether they had pepper spray; assumed a taser would have stopped her and caused others to not come through the window; and, assumed a baton would have stopped them (if he had one). You also assumed there was more than one officer there in that hall to stop the rioting mob. I guess you are also assuming the mob doesn't get the officer's weapon or just beat him to death.

Your baton option makes the most sense--if they had one. At least as a temporary measure. But I don't think he could take on a rioting mob with a baton. Maybe you have in the woods of Georgia.

We're just batting around opinions here, but I have bad news for you having spent 25 years trying lawsuits. You wouldn't qualify as an expert in this case. I have more bad news for the group. Assuming the DOJ or some insurance company doesn't cave with a settlement, it is a defense verdict 10 out of 10 times in this case.

Again, I am no fan of the DOJ. But I am also not a fan of people being misled. So, at least we cleared up that Ashli Babbitt was not a peaceful tourist just strolling through the capital.

I have to get ready for real Court tomorrow. Adios all!

Using your "logic" everything you said would justify every police use of lethal force....not even close to real world.

There were other officers on both sides of the door. What's puzzling is the three officers that were on the left side of the door
moved past Ashley and then proceeded down the stairs just prior to Byrd advancing his weapon forward and firing.

Here is another angle of footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSt2LJWokI0

An interesting excerpt from the actual complaint filed by Babbitt's family. Apparently from the CP radio logs of that day.

At line 15 in the complaint.

15. At 2:45 p.m., or within one minute after shooting Ashli, Lt. Byrd made the following radio call: " 405B. We got shots fired in the lobby. We got shots shots fired in the lobby of the House chamber. Shots are being fired at us and we’re sh, uhh, prepared to fire back at them. We have guns drawn. Please don’t leave that end. Don’t leave that end". Approximately 35 seconds later, Lt. Byrd made another radio call, stating, “405B. We got an injured person. I believe that person was shot.” In fact, no shots were fired at Lt. Byrd or his fellow officers. The only shot fired was the single shot Lt. Byrd fired at Ashli. He heard the loud noise of the gunshot. He saw her fall backwards from the window frame.

Well I think it is blain by now just who is chicken crap enough to shot first and ask questions later. Might not want to walk while black in Oklahoma.

I will add that after 27 years in LE that I'm very, very pro-law enforcement. I've argued for LE many times when an anti-police post was made on here...usually centered around a questionable officer-involved shooting.

Yet...the Ashli Babbitt incident has me on the other side this time. I simply cannot defend what I saw in those videos, and I've tried, using my years of training and experience. I've tried, but I can't.

You're a liar watch the video and quit lying.

I can only imagine the turmoil. I, too, am by default a back the blue law and order type. Even though I've been on both sides of that in my life, lol. I've been the victim of criminals wearing a badge, falsely accused on another occasion and rightly dealt with by honorable officers at other times. So I struggle between defund and back but by and large I'm a back the honorable.

I count you among the honorable.

Thank you for holding to a higher morality.

Knock it off with the name calling.

I wouldn't hold a lot of stock in the officers statements. The first thing they're trained to say is "I was afraid for my life and and the lives of others"
which may, or may not be the truth....

I don't know of ANY modern day law enforcement that is only equipped with a firearm. Especially with the build up of J6 and No reasonable man would believe otherwise.. I'm surprised at some on here, you guys are quite comical to the point of being really disheartening and sad that you're even on here.

You can talk till your blue in the face but it will not make any difference to him no matter how many facts you provide. Sad but he is a lost cause.. and not worth the time..

So, if you think someone is being an idiot, now it is ok to just shoot them?

Well, that would make it a whole lot simpler for law inforcement going forward.

I think I recall you arguing that Rittenhouse should be charged/convicted. that doesn't jive with your CURRENT statement, does it?

BC for President 2024!!!
He may not make much sense at all, and has trouble with logic and reason, but he can sure can put some words and sentences together. Better than what we have in office now.
I'm fixin to have some shirts made.
On the front, Blain "Pie hole" County, for President. (Why? Well who doesn't enjoy pie?)
On the back, At least I am not Let's Go Brandon, nor Donald Adolf Trump.

I have no idea why you folks continue to entertain the clown known as blaine county, by his/hers post he's more than likely a plant...

"Hello fellow trapping enthusiasts!"

Mike

I agree. The cops should have shot a few more of them.

Jim

Not to be outdone are you, jimbo?

What are you talking about? I said what I meant in plain English.

As for Rittenhouse, I was glad he was acquitted. He's not the brightest bulb, but those rioters had it coming.

P.S. I also mean it when I say that the MAGA disciples act and think just like the BLM and ANTIFA types. Basically the same people now--just different things that they whine and complain about constantly. It's embarrassing.

That's where we're at as a country. I wouldn't have shed a tear had multiple Antifa types had been mowed down.

I just got home and turned on the news. Apparently Trump is calling those convicted in connection with J6 "hostages."

Is it the position of the MAGA Church of Tman that no crimes were committed by the J6 rioting idiots and that none of them should have gone to jail? Are they all "hostages"?

if I mischaracterized your take on Rittenhouse, I stand corrected.

You did, but I forgive you.

BC,

there are a lot of J6'ers who were grossly over-charged. Not all, certainly; but many.

then you have Ray Epps....

Seeing how it has come to light that protesters in an area designated for them were fired upon without provocation, I can’t condemn their response.

That is a reasonable point that could be considered. But, your boy isn't distinguishing between them when he gives speeches calling them all "hostages".

He is misleading his flock. Again.

It's like Ashli Babbitt. I'm not saying that there were not other options--and based on what I have seen lethal force could be one of them. But let's not pretend she was just a tourist walking through the capital and was gunned down for no reason.

so, let's talk about standards, shall we?

so apparently, you're willing to claim everything that comes out of Nikki's mouth as YOUR position? [careful, I'm fairly good at Google-fu]

of COURSE not. That would be LUDICROUS!

but you'll demand Trump supporters be held to that standard???

besides, that's clearly a straw man argument. you SHOULD be able to do better than that...

Dude. Calm down. It was a criticism of Trump misleading his flock (and it works on many of them).

I am not a disciple of Haley. Of the current slate of candidates, she will do and is the least objectionable. I think they're all pretty weak--including the great misleader, Trump.

But y'all (including you) throw a fit anytime anyone doesn't bend a knee to Lord Trump--like your post. I couldn't care less if you like Haley, hate Haley, cheer for her or cuss her. She is simply the most reasonable candidate in my opinion.

Don't be so sensitive. But do you agree what he is saying is misleading? Do you agree he misleads?

I'll take that as a mea culpa from you.

you were "caught".

(btw...the old "Dude. Calm Down" schtick is played. find a new, interesting way to deflect from your debating/"logic" errors)

What was I caught on? Dude?

I really have no idea what you're talking about but maybe your better at "debating logic."

And, you didn't answer my question. Does your boy Trump mislead?

Caught trying to use an intellectually vacuous (straw man) argument, that you yourself refuse to be held to.

I disagree.

Anyway, does Trump mislead or not? Answer it straight up. I know all politicians lie, but I am asking about Trump.

The Jan. 6ers were made an example of, 2 tiered justice system. 15 to 20 years in jail is nuts, many get half that for murder.

if all politicians lie (and Nikki is a politician); you're willingly supporting a liar.

this is the SAME insult you're hurling at Trump supporters.

Geeze!

(okay. okay...I'll Calm Down, Dude)

That's what you two have in common.You both believe in more government control.Your both sheep.

Most of you don't seem to have read what I posted. Byrd was there only as "incident commander". He had been stripped of his police powers. He had failed prior shooting tests. He shouldn't have even been armed.
She wasn't armed. He or his men could have pushed her back as she came through the window. There’s just no way, BC that a reasonable person could see that shooting as justified.
It is not us Trump supporters who are blind or messed up. It's you, blinded by your extreme dislike of Trump.
In my eyes, what happened on Jan. 6 was a traditional act by citizens of a country that was started and founded by exactly what happened on Jan. 6.

You can't admit that Trump misleads his flock. Telling. And sad.

Back to work. Y'all have a nice evening.

pot: "Kettle, you're BLACK!"

Game. Set. Match!

Not many of us are following Trump like he's the pied piper, but we realize that someone that's bold enough to call it like he sees it is the only hope that this country has to get us pointed back in the right direction.

Trump is the ONLY candidate that stands a chance winning against the Democrat's BS. Haley...NOPE! DeSantis...Nope! All the others are not poling high enough to even be talked about....even Ramaswamy.

I hoping most conservative are smart enough to go with our best chance and not false hope on one of the others. Or worse yet, sit on the fence like some do....living in a foggy dream.

they just spent the previous 6 months letting looters burn their squad cars while they watched and had rocks thrown at them and the media called it mostly peaceful protest.

so a bunch of people generally standing around actually being mostly peaceful in their protest really doesn't warrant opening up on them with small arms.

You didn't

I didn't think so, either...but I was too lazy to challenge/research it.

Thanks for your confirmation!

Boco has a point. Why didn't more officers fire? The answer is there wasn't any reason to shoot in the first place. Some of you guys, well 2 of you, have a really messed up train of thought.

in the videos I've seen, the police inside the Capitol didn't seem overly concerned. some were talking calmly to the "rioters", others opened doors for them...

I guess you missed all of the videos of rioting idiots fighting the cops.

They're readily available.

Since y'all apparently have nothing else to do with your lives, look up what I said.

My former and current opinion are the same. Rittenhouse is somewhat retarded and made some stupid decisions but I am happy with his acquittal and would never weep for a dead ANTIFA/BLM rioter. See a theme here?

I would help you with some search terms but, alas, full time employment calls.

Misleading the flock huh? Biden says the border is closed, who's misleading who.

What should be clear to everyone is that no "News" source is interested in reporting an objective description of what really occurred on Jan 6, or anything else you see on the News these days. Everything we read, see or hear is getting spoon fed to us with an extremely bias political slant. How about just reporting all the facts and let us form our own opinions.

BC is glad he has a full time job. And that he has something else to do other than be on Tman....lol

Oh, it's much worse....

Radioed in that he was taking fire and would return fire....
A minute AFTER he shot her...

But she was a Trumper, so it was all justified. According to our TDS legal scholars.