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Re: Score this buck [Re: Dirty D] #8010081
12/03/23 07:52 AM
12/03/23 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by snowy

Taking mature largest horned animal is best for the herd and to leave the young to generate the future of the herd. That is even if I don't harvest a deer for the year and that has happened many times if I can't get it done on a mature animal.

It isn't all about having the largest set of horns on the wall, it is my opinion to take the oldest mature animals from the herd, and in doing that generally have the largest set of horns and does weigh more also.

I have many high scoring racks but never have scored them but have a general idea of their size. What I do know about that rack they are very mature deer and I know the young coming up will fill that void.

In saying all of that I do respect whatever a hunter wants to shoot and what their goal is as an outdoors person. They can shoot whatever they want and makes no difference to me.


your wrong about taking the oldest most mature deer being removed is best for the future of the herd. It depends.

In alot of the east its a case that the best deer to remove from the herd is a young doe. Over population is a real thing, many areas have so many deer that they destroy the ecology of the area. Many species of native plants (Oak trees for one) are disappearing or unable to reproduce either fully or partially due to deer browse. I see it everyday in my woods and all over SE WI.

Lets call this what it is, its trophy hunting, nothing less. Hunting for a trophy is not managing the herd for whats best for the herd. The only instance where harvesting the largest most mature males makes sense is where the population is less than what the land can handle without detriment from the herd, this is rare in the east.

It makes a difference to me what someone shoots as a land owner. My land pays the price for their trophy hunting ways. I don't respect a Hunter who hunts in may area and will not shoot anything less than a buck with big antlers. I can't respect a selfish hunter. Where you are maybe different. I speak for where I am.

Please don't take any of this personally, I don't mean it as such, just to point out that there is whole different reality around where I am.

Problem is most people in wi have to small of parcels to really control and manage a heard. Hunt what ever makes you happy. Congrats on that buck. It's scores a lot by the smile on his face.

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010149
12/03/23 09:34 AM
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The guys that say "you can't eat those antlers" will always shoot the buck if presented the opportunity with a buck and a doe standing side by side. Why is that???

I think I know why.....


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Re: Score this buck [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8010169
12/03/23 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
The guys that say "you can't eat those antlers" will always shoot the buck if presented the opportunity with a buck and a doe standing side by side. Why is that???

I think I know why.....

Most of the guys I know who hunt deer and have big bucks on camera always say they're holding out for the big one. The month-long season wears on and they wind up shooting whatever presents itself.

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010220
12/03/23 11:28 AM
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I'd say 160 also, I've seen 150's 8s and that certainly looks bigger

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010256
12/03/23 12:17 PM
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If Bass 1 does not post a score soon he should be banned for one year from Trapperman! grin

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010257
12/03/23 12:19 PM
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Agree...

Re: Score this buck [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8010271
12/03/23 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
The guys that say "you can't eat those antlers" will always shoot the buck if presented the opportunity with a buck and a doe standing side by side. Why is that???

I think I know why.....

Seems just the opposite up here. Most people would prefer the doe


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Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010278
12/03/23 12:35 PM
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Wall-hanger for sure, Congratulations!


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Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010296
12/03/23 01:01 PM
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If we’re gonna get scientific, the least detrimental deer to take out of the herd no matter where you are is a button buck. Providing its mother is alive that button will be run off as a yearling.

If you’re wanting population growth, shoot yearling does.

If you’re overpopulated, shoot mature does.

Taking a mature buck is only detrimental if you have a very low population. Not sure if most realize it or not, but not every buck is going to produce a “trophy” rack. In our area, almost county wide, we’ll let bucks grow to their potential. Yeah, some won’t ever produce a “trophy” rack and call us “trophy” hunters if you want, but we’ll take management bucks and let those 3.5-4.5 130-150” deer walk. Who doesn’t want those antlers that you can’t eat anyways.

We will shoot does and not think twice. We generally get two herd counts done. One after season and one before. Less deer means more food for those left. More food means better weight and health, and yes, also bigger antlers. More weight means more meat, although those yearling does just seem to taste the best to me.

I don’t look down on anyone for shooting anything they want. In some areas of our State, a 130” buck is about as big as they get. Some areas of our State don’t have the numbers of deer the rest of the State has. My area (County) not only has a high population, but some serious antler growth as well. I know of several 160”+ killed already. You won’t see these bucks in big buck contests, on the cover of magazines, or even in the record books. The saying, “Loose lips, sink ships” is true. I share stuff here only because not a lot of GA trappers and no one here gives a rip.

As far as scoring deer here, I always give my numbers and why, not just a guess. If the score is posted I always ask to see the sheet, not because I don’t believe anyone, because I want to get better at guessing based on pics. I missed a deer my son’s friend killed by 6” and I had the main beams pegged and the mass, but really missed on the tine length. I like when folks ask, I also like when they eventually tell us, hint hint!!

I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone and not saying our management practices are THE way. It’s just what we’ve observed in our personal observations over the years through cameras and over 320 days a year in the woods. Do we want to kill bucks with record book antlers? YES SIR! Will we take older management deer over those younger record book deer? YES we will. Have we noticed an increase in higher scoring bucks? YES we have. Do we do our best to keep a balanced herd? Again, yes sir!! Will we shoot does, notice I said shoot and not hunt…yes sir! Almost to the point it’s not fun, but it has to be done. Just like predators need managed, so do deer.

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010374
12/03/23 03:04 PM
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Well… He finally had it green scored, 148 2/8”. I’ve text him a few times for him to get it scored, finally got it scored. This spring or summer there should be a gun show here in Syracuse. They usually have someone there to score buck, I told him to take it and get the net score.

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Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010376
12/03/23 03:08 PM
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Thank you

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010377
12/03/23 03:10 PM
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Jbird u missed by almost 20 inches

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010381
12/03/23 03:15 PM
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Re: Score this buck [Re: Mando] #8010410
12/03/23 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mando

Problem is most people in wi have to small of parcels to really control and manage a heard. Hunt what ever makes you happy. Congrats on that buck. It's scores a lot by the smile on his face.


Its the reality of the situation, unless you fence your land so deer can't get in or out the deer are moving in and out of your land along with your neighbors. No matter if you have 5 acres or 5000.
That being said that makes it all the more important that hunters work to manage the herd and not just think of themselves, to do so is the definition of selfish.
So in farmland where I live shoot them does first and foremost, its whats best for the herd. If you have a chance at big buck shoot it, I have no issue with that. Where I start having issues is when legal does are passed up and one waits for the trophy buck that never comes and the tags go without anything shot.

And guess what, if more does are shot and the population is more in balance with the land you might not see as many deer but a higher percent will be bucks and larger ones at that.

Almost sounds like QDM doesn't it.

Re: Score this buck [Re: Yes sir] #8010423
12/03/23 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Jbird u missed by almost 20 inches

Here comes a " yeah but"...


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Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010428
12/03/23 05:06 PM
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No yeah buts . I won’t be off far after deductions. Be patient B and B . You might notice I did mention it will have more deductions than you think . G -3 alone plus I admitted the main beam and circumference measurements I might be waaaay off ! I’ll stand by my score guessing if put on a paper scored with cable and folding rule . Seen too many officially scored

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Re: Score this buck [Re: jbyrd63] #8010429
12/03/23 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
No yeah buts . I won’t be off far after deductions. Be patient B and B . You might notice I did mention it will have more deductions than you think . G -3 alone

Oh come on........ NOBODY was guessing the net score with their score. U missed by 19 inches on a 148 inch deer straight up. Own it.

You even basically gave a score sheet. Zero. I mean zero about deductions

I bet u shot 5 shot groups then measure the 3 closest too

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Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010436
12/03/23 05:18 PM
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Never said it wasn’t a great deer !
Read my post “ said I’d love to see a score sheet . Depends on who scored them. But like several said hard to tell from a pic . I’ll stand by my score . . Bucks and bra at least I did guess you drew up and chickened out on the challenge

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Re: Score this buck [Re: Dirty D] #8010439
12/03/23 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
the only score that matters is the weight after processing. Boil them antlers all you want, you'll never be able to eat the things.

But I can enjoy looking at them for the rest of my life.

Re: Score this buck [Re: Bass1] #8010449
12/03/23 05:30 PM
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.. I love this place lol


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