Ran across this video and thought it was interesting. I know there's some big time bench rest shooters that are members here. What are your thoughts?




Ol dad

I'm no expert and I've watched the video and thinks it probably spot one. Or I have bad luck with rifles. I know everyone else's rifles all shot one hole but that's not my experience, at least if I shot more than one shot.
In last 2 years I've bought a Tikka and a Vanguard. Both new and I believe both have a 1 moa guarantee.
Tikka I tried 4 different quality ammos right from the start. Best ammo was 1 1/4 others around 2. Bedded the action with not much change. I then fully bedded barrel and now it's pretty much 3/4 to 1 1/4 with everything I've shot out of it as far as factory ammo and I've shot 4" groups several times ar 750 yds. The Vanguard I started with Remington core lokts and it was over 2 moa from start. I bedded action on it and it got down to around 1 1/2. I then fully bedded barrel and it got down to under 1 moa. It will consistently shoot several factory load 3/4 or under and all factory loads I've put through at 1 or less.
That's my limited experience.

Stock 788 Remington, 6mm; 1/2" group at 200 yards. All day long.

Anybody want to put money against it? Accepting offers.




Charlie

All true. Yes, I've got a rifle that will shoot sub-minute groups .....Till it doesn't..... If the wind is down, if I've not had too much coffee, if all the planets are aligned just right, it will generally shoot under a minute.
And that rifle, is not the 30-30 Winchester I usually hunt deer with.

Been millions of game animals shoot with 3, 4, 5+ minute rifles. Or shotgun slugs.

Am reminded of this set of videos posted by Wolfie last year. Remember these were NOT about the 6.5.......it is about rifles that "need-more". Documents what they got with a pair of factory rifles, and what they did to them to enhance accuracy. Same barrels and actions (may have eventually swapped triggers, can't remember). But were eventually improved with some effort. Shooters were not a limiting factor. And yes, in later videos they botched the test, but that is another story.



I have a book that is all about taking average shooting stock hunting rifles.......basic 1.5 MOA guns and getting them down to 1/2" MOA or better. Basically the same thing that EC and buddy did above. Book covers all that Yes Sir mentions and more, but one of the major steps is to bed the action and free float the barrel. And not just any old bed job, but very VERY specific set of instructions on how. So while many rifles can be made accurate, not many actually are coming out of the box as the steps needed to get them there were not done at the factory. Single easiest step to get there if gun is up to it is custom hand loaded ammo.

Other takeaway is on the OP video, what he is basically saying is the warranties on rifles are just as bogus as warranties on most products. And they can make those claims knowing 99.9% of buyers will never make a claim, and have weasel clauses if they do.

I say it all the time..........

Everyone has a "1 holer" until you take them to a bench rest match, lol.

Interesting, my wife would take that $50 any day of the week with her Winchester 270.
My 788 22-250 would also probably take that $50 most days

If you guys wanted to come to Marion I'd take all three $50 bets on the 1/2 groups at 200 yds. 5 groups of 5 shots. If we are talking factory rifles.

Factory rifle...factory ammo...200 yards...1/2" groups....

....hmmm!!

3 rounds is a lot easier to get than a 5 , sample size

also match grade ammo is seldom what anyone is actually using for hunting

the manufacture can also lock the action in a machine rest to get there or wait 10 minutes between shots

3inches was considered good when I was a kid anything under that will keep you in venison all the time

I know a lot of people are like sub , sub , sub moa they like to throw that around but it is based on 3 round groups typically

I guess I would get more excited about a 10 round 1.25 moa gun and hunting ammo combo witch is actually a 1.30" group at 100 yards center to center

Absolutely.

Remington 100 grain core lock bullets. That was in the mid 70s. The new Remington ammo, probably not so much.



Charlie

I will add another 788 6mm to that bet. It shoots better than I can. It's not hard to put two bullets in the same hole out of three shots.

5 shots not 3. There are guys and maybe a gal or to 2 that can make it look easy but I guarantee it ain't easy.
But there is a certain amount of luck in any equation so you do have that maybe.

i got 2 that will do it one a Remington .222 and a 6.5 grendel but I did build the grendel.

Got 4 here that will take his money

Custom rifle...handloads....200yds...1/2" groups...

Yep.

We talking freehand or vice. If vice count me in. Factory Ruger and Silvertips in .280 will cloverleaf.

My daughter's 700 in 7mm-08 will with cheap burris full field 2 and Hornady north American whitetail hunting ammo.

Enter level left handed rifle cheap scope and factory hunting ammo. I did have a SAS tomb (thread over muzzle break installed before I gave it to her on her 9th birthday so my SAS Arbiter could be mounted on it an shoot suppressed.

I bought the Hornady to get brass because I couldn't find any at the time. Figured I would zero it and she could shoot it all up practicing and I would load some good ammo for her to hunt with.

Turned out it shoots so well I couldn't improve on the accuracy enough to bother hand loading for it out to 300 yards anyway. Never shot it further than that.

I have a semi custom in 260 that I used to shoot .4 often less with. Have not shot that gun in about 10 years.

I think what the guy in the video is trying to say is that it's more of an anomaly than the standard to get a factory rifle to shoot MOA. It's misleading for the manufacturer to make that claim. An average shooter shouldn't expect to get MOA, nor be disappointed when they don't.

Ol' dad

I would bet more on the rifles ability than the average shooters ability to be able to shoot said rifle. But no not all rifles will do so. If you get one that won't shoot get rid of it and try another. Messing around with it you will quickly spend more on ammo, but more importantly for me is time. I don't have time to wast in a rifle to get it to shoot.