Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 12:54 AM
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What's the story behind this Fruit Loop? Had he given any signs of Mental illness to where someone could of helped him to stop this sad hard to swallow ending? Does he have a Family? Was he in the Armed Forces? Was he working anywhere? I know, lots of questions, but haven't been on the t.v. lately.
Randy Yes armed forces. Currently National Guard. Gun instructor. Yes mental illness. Committed for 3 weeks for threatening to bomb national guard base. Released to carry through on his plans. If you really haven't read any of that, then you absolutely nailed it! All's I got was info up at our small town gas station, heard people talking, but did not here anything that I knew was true. Committed and released? That baffles me. Why was he not considered dangerous for officials to get this guy the help he needed? Just a sickening story over and over again. Seems like it's weekly anymore. God Bless ALL !!!
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 01:20 AM
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Yes armed forces. Currently National Guard. Gun instructor. Yes mental illness. Committed for 3 weeks for threatening to bomb national guard base. Released to carry through on his plans.
If you really haven't read any of that, then you absolutely nailed it!
All's I got was info up at our small town gas station, heard people talking, but did not here anything that I knew was true. Committed and released? That baffles me. Why was he not considered dangerous for officials to get this guy the help he needed? Just a sickening story over and over again. Seems like it's weekly anymore. God Bless ALL !!! Because it has become almost impossible to commit the insane without a full trial after they have done something dangerous.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 06:14 AM
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Everyone was sleeping with their gun.
It is better to have and not need...
Than it is to need ..and not have.
Very for Sad...for families and wounded.
That stuff..you can't un see. And Hittler OOPS I mean Haris wants to disarm Americans..
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 06:21 AM
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He admitted to hearing voices and was treated for two weeks . Really who dropped the ball on this one ?
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 07:19 AM
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These things happen in a free country. It's the price of freedom people always talk about. Free to protect yourself free to enter gun free zones unarmed. It's a tragic event that will repeat, and nothing can be done except personal vigilance.
Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 10:28 AM
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He admitted to hearing voices and was treated for two weeks . Really who dropped the ball on this one ? I would guess there was no ball to drop. Without his voluntary consent he could not be held without court order and court order would require a hearing with evidence. The crux of the issue is do we lock up, deprive them of all rights and liberty, the insane who have not yet harmed themselves or others on the possibility that they might do so or do we respect and protect the rights and liberty of all even if it means the insane end up doing harm first before action to deprive them of liberty is taken? The involuntary hold due to insanity has a long and sordid history in our society. Once used vindictively now used very sparingly if at all. I'm afraid this incident will open a discussion that will be politicized, red flag laws being just one. Here we have a white male, veteran, apparently right leaning. I fear the conversation won't be to our benefit, particularly as a white male, veteran, right leaning individual myself.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 10:46 AM
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Never got into read up on why much. Why do the ones behind mass shootings do it ? On narcotics ? It was just posted that heard voices in head ? I do know at mental health place, hear voices in head like someone or multiple ppl are actually talking an u hear it or self harm or harm to others. Are red flag that get the health care provider to call le an get u commited. Otherwise at mental health place. Anything u say is kept in room. They ask u if thoughts of suicide or murder or harm others an last if hear voices in head . I told them racing thoughts or intrusive thoughts. But have never heard a actual voice in head. Can hear head talking or thoughts but not like there someone talk an hear it when none there. I don't have any idea how u could hear a voice in head . A grey area to me
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 10:49 AM
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Heard he was really not a firearms instructor, he was a petroleum supply specialist...Plays better for the anti gun media to say he was a firearms instructor though.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 11:10 AM
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Heard he was really not a firearms instructor, he was a petroleum supply specialist...Plays better for the anti gun media to say he was a firearms instructor though. For the civilians, thats a gas pump attendant without the qualifications to scrape bugs of the windscreen or check the oil.
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Let's go Brandon
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 12:04 PM
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Heard he was really not a firearms instructor, he was a petroleum supply specialist...Plays better for the anti gun media to say he was a firearms instructor though. Let me explain that. His MOS or military occupational specialty was petroleum supply specialist. Meaning he was initially and primarily trained to operate petroluem supply equipment. In actual practice though nobody in the US Army is restricted to just their MOS. Individual soldiers may pick up secondary training and even a secondary MOS. And commanders are free to assign personnel to duty slots regardless of MOS. In my time I took the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical warfare course in addition to my primary 62J General Construction Equipment Operator MOS. I was tasked as a platoon NBC specialist assisting our company NBC NCO in addition to my regular duty as an operator. I would also later be assigned to the maintenance platoon, in spite of not being a mechanic, as part of the fuel handlers squad. I never held a petroleum supply MOS. My guess is this guy was a petroleum specialist MOS who had shown an aptitude for training and was a good shooter so had been assigned as a company or battalion level trainer. I also gather from reading about him that he was an NCO so it would be a natural fit for him to be a trainer.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 08:43 PM
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Bottom line is that he is dead. It is a shame that there were no armed citizens to have sped up that process significantly. I do not know what the carry laws are in Maine. I don't really care much what the carry laws are anywhere I go. The real problem is that too many citizens errantly do care, and in this particular case, at the demise of a lot of innocent people, as well as their surviving relatives and loved ones.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 08:54 PM
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Bottom line is that he is dead. It is a shame that there were no armed citizens to have sped up that process significantly. I do not know what the carry laws are in Maine. I don't really care much what the carry laws are anywhere I go. The real problem is that too many citizens errantly do care, and in this particular case, at the demise of a lot of innocent people, as well as their surviving relatives and loved ones. Constitutional Carry in Maine and I never leave home without it.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/28/23 08:58 PM
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always be prepared to defend your life....keep the right mindset also, go right for it with no hesitation.
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/31/23 08:18 AM
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The left has been known to falsify details for the media to run wild with. What the media never tells you about are all the sweet leftist attacking, shooting or killing the evil white supremacists all over the country, but if a guy were to look for it he would find dozens of new events daily
This event was tragic and had the men in those locations been armed this would have turned out differently
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Re: Robert Card found dead
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10/31/23 08:58 AM
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What I find vile is that the national socialists have not even waited for the bodies too cool, before they hitched the whole thing to further their political agenda.
Let's go Brandon
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