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Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) #7980187
10/26/23 02:30 PM
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In 1828 Jedediah Smith's trapping party of 19 men were attacked at the mouth of the Smith river. 15 were killed and some months after the massacre a Hudson Bay brigade sent by John McLoughlin recovered most of the trade goods and beaver pelts taken, and buried the skeletons of the men who had been left to rot. Recently cadaver sniffing dogs pinpointed the actual location of the mass burial and a monument has been erected to honor the Smith party dead.

The dedication for the new monument will be held this Saturday near Reedsport, Oregon. I plan to be there to honor those brave souls and represent the Oregon Trappers' Association.


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980203
10/26/23 02:48 PM
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Uplifting news there Beaverpeeler.


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980207
10/26/23 02:56 PM
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980211
10/26/23 03:01 PM
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The facts of the situation makes it a sad day for those that are a piece of history But it is recconized for hat those facts are It is god to have this info ouut in the open

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980216
10/26/23 03:09 PM
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And of course a representative for the confederated tribes says he won't attend and why are we honoring white men that were unwanted trespassers to his ancestors lands?


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980217
10/26/23 03:10 PM
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Great to hear those men will be remembered.

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980233
10/26/23 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
In 1828 Jedediah Smith's trapping party of 19 men were attacked at the mouth of the Smith river. 15 were killed and some months after the massacre a Hudson Bay brigade sent by John McLoughlin recovered most of the trade goods and beaver pelts taken, and buried the skeletons of the men who had been left to rot. Recently cadaver sniffing dogs pinpointed the actual location of the mass burial and a monument has been erected to honor the Smith party dead.

The dedication for the new monument will be held this Saturday near Reedsport, Oregon. I plan to be there to honor those brave souls and represent the Oregon Trappers' Association.


Take some pictures.

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980252
10/26/23 04:10 PM
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980256
10/26/23 04:15 PM
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The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport?


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: Robert Martin] #7980262
10/26/23 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Martin
The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport?


Two Smith Rivers.

One north of Crescent City, CA.

The other a tributary of the Umpqua at Reedsport, OR.

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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: walleyed] #7980269
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by Robert Martin
The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport?


Two Smith Rivers.

One north of Crescent City, CA.

The other a tributary of the Umpqua at Reedsport, OR.

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Thanks! I had no idea he had 2 rivers named after him!


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980317
10/26/23 05:33 PM
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Yes, the Smith river comes into the Umpqua just a couple of miles upstream from the ocean. Jedediah and two other escaped the massacre because they were upriver on the Smith looking for the best possible route to the Willamette valley. Keep in mind they were driving 300 head of horses and mules and so finding the best possible route was very important.


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980319
10/26/23 05:36 PM
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Wow. It's amazing the dogs could still trigger on the scent after close to 200 years.

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: Osagian] #7980378
10/26/23 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Osagian
Wow. It's amazing the dogs could still trigger on the scent after close to 200 years.


I've got to admit I did not know that was even a remote possibility. From what I read the probable route and camp site on the Smith river was mapped out by some guys (Jedediah Smith historical society) that really haves studied up on all the journals, etc and then a cadaver sniffing dog was brought out and had a hit right on the spot they figured could be the potential burial area.

The mostly skeletal remains had been buried about 3-4 months after the attack.


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980438
10/26/23 08:29 PM
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What about us injuns ? A lot of Indians got bent over here in Oregon in them days


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980455
10/26/23 08:50 PM
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I'm entirely sympathetic to the cause of the native Americans. They got a raw deal. But in this particular case the Indians involved were primarily interested in stealing the trappers' goods and figured they could get away with it because these were "Boston men" not British. They pretended friendship and were admitted into camp but had knives and war clubs concealed under their robes and suddenly attacked. It was pure unadulterated treachery...something that the mountain men were not very accustomed to with the mountain and plains tribes.


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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980493
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Didn't know we had "demo crat" injuns here back then. grin

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980616
10/27/23 06:08 AM
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good story yes take pic,

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980640
10/27/23 07:24 AM
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Quite a story of what happened there and that was his second trip to the west coast. The fact that McLaughlin even helped him, being basically an enemy trader, was remarkable.

Smith himself was killed by Comanches a couple years later on the Cimmaron river in what is today Oklahoma.

In some cases the natives got a raw deal and in just as many cases they got what they deserved. This was one case where they simply decided they were going to kill the white men and take their belongings. That's what they did to other indian tribes so it was nothing new. Smith had told the men under no circumstances do not let them into camp while he was gone. But they were very shifty and managed to infiltrate the camp.

Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith) [Re: beaverpeeler] #7980661
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Yep. Indians were not morally superior people. Nothing was done to them that Indians were not doing to each other. Ultimately they lost and were displaced. Technology did them in. If they had ships and guns battles would have been fought in Europe and the outcome may have been different. Its one thing to recognize their right to live,
be equal under the law, and quite another to promote the idea Indians deserve welfare because their ancestors lost the war.


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