Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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In 1828 Jedediah Smith's trapping party of 19 men were attacked at the mouth of the Smith river. 15 were killed and some months after the massacre a Hudson Bay brigade sent by John McLoughlin recovered most of the trade goods and beaver pelts taken, and buried the skeletons of the men who had been left to rot. Recently cadaver sniffing dogs pinpointed the actual location of the mass burial and a monument has been erected to honor the Smith party dead.
The dedication for the new monument will be held this Saturday near Reedsport, Oregon. I plan to be there to honor those brave souls and represent the Oregon Trappers' Association.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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Uplifting news there Beaverpeeler.
Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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Build a campfire, spend the night and listen to the voices in the Wind.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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And of course a representative for the confederated tribes says he won't attend and why are we honoring white men that were unwanted trespassers to his ancestors lands?
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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In 1828 Jedediah Smith's trapping party of 19 men were attacked at the mouth of the Smith river. 15 were killed and some months after the massacre a Hudson Bay brigade sent by John McLoughlin recovered most of the trade goods and beaver pelts taken, and buried the skeletons of the men who had been left to rot. Recently cadaver sniffing dogs pinpointed the actual location of the mass burial and a monument has been erected to honor the Smith party dead.
The dedication for the new monument will be held this Saturday near Reedsport, Oregon. I plan to be there to honor those brave souls and represent the Oregon Trappers' Association. Take some pictures.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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10/26/23 04:15 PM
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The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport?
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport? Two Smith Rivers. One north of Crescent City, CA. The other a tributary of the Umpqua at Reedsport, OR. w
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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The mouth of the Smith river in California, just south of the Oregon border. Why is the memorial in Reedsport? Two Smith Rivers. One north of Crescent City, CA. The other a tributary of the Umpqua at Reedsport, OR. w Thanks! I had no idea he had 2 rivers named after him!
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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10/26/23 05:33 PM
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Yes, the Smith river comes into the Umpqua just a couple of miles upstream from the ocean. Jedediah and two other escaped the massacre because they were upriver on the Smith looking for the best possible route to the Willamette valley. Keep in mind they were driving 300 head of horses and mules and so finding the best possible route was very important.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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10/26/23 07:14 PM
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Wow. It's amazing the dogs could still trigger on the scent after close to 200 years. I've got to admit I did not know that was even a remote possibility. From what I read the probable route and camp site on the Smith river was mapped out by some guys (Jedediah Smith historical society) that really haves studied up on all the journals, etc and then a cadaver sniffing dog was brought out and had a hit right on the spot they figured could be the potential burial area. The mostly skeletal remains had been buried about 3-4 months after the attack.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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What about us injuns ? A lot of Indians got bent over here in Oregon in them days
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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I'm entirely sympathetic to the cause of the native Americans. They got a raw deal. But in this particular case the Indians involved were primarily interested in stealing the trappers' goods and figured they could get away with it because these were "Boston men" not British. They pretended friendship and were admitted into camp but had knives and war clubs concealed under their robes and suddenly attacked. It was pure unadulterated treachery...something that the mountain men were not very accustomed to with the mountain and plains tribes.
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Re: Trapper burial site to be honored(Jedediah Smith)
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Yep. Indians were not morally superior people. Nothing was done to them that Indians were not doing to each other. Ultimately they lost and were displaced. Technology did them in. If they had ships and guns battles would have been fought in Europe and the outcome may have been different. Its one thing to recognize their right to live, be equal under the law, and quite another to promote the idea Indians deserve welfare because their ancestors lost the war.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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