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Re: Banished! [Re: elkaholic] #7977312
10/22/23 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by elkaholic
Originally Posted by Leary Sink
The NTA might have its bylaws and such but there is still a 1st Ammendment right to free speech. The NTA can NOT get around that no matter what their silly one sided rules say!


That applies to the government. Not an org or individuals.


doesn't [REALLY] apply to .gov, either.

when .gov "suggests" to big private platforms that they "might want to consider" censoring some opinions, well...

it's kinda like Fast Eddy saying to a shopkeeper "You have real nice kneecaps there. Be a real SHAME if something happened to 'em"

Last edited by white marlin; 10/22/23 08:01 PM.
Re: Banished! [Re: Leary Sink] #7977318
10/22/23 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Leary Sink
The NTA might have its bylaws and such but there is still a 1st Ammendment right to free speech. The NTA can NOT get around that no matter what their silly one sided rules say!


Larry, that might be true but…......an organization has options. First they can kick you out, secondly the can send you a cease and desist order with the threat of litigation if you don't step in line. Who's going to fight that unless they're wealthy


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Re: Banished! [Re: Leary Sink] #7977354
10/22/23 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Leary Sink
The NTA might have its bylaws and such but there is still a 1st Ammendment right to free speech. The NTA can NOT get around that no matter what their silly one sided rules say!

Civil courts say otherwise. This goes to anyone.

Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977358
10/22/23 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
huntrap247, just curious but who did you send your original email to? The office?

Everyone on the NTA contact page lol.
Only one I got a response from.


Some people refuse to see the truth when you bludgeon them over the head with it.


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977410
10/22/23 09:57 PM
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I just rejoined the NTA mainly for the publication. Sorry to hear about this fiasco. Hope y'all get it worked out.


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Re: Banished! [Re: Jtrapper] #7977422
10/22/23 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper

Maybe now NTA can rig their election's like they want so no one can even run unless they are a past or current officer, that should ensure they can keep total control over their little universe and ensure NOTHING ever changes, just keep doing the same ol dumb stuff expecting a different result. Every 20 years they have to blow off both feet and wonder why the place can't garner the support of at least 50 percent of the trappers.

1984 Don Hoyt fiasco

2004 Dave Sollman/Dave Wills fiacso

2023 this fiasco.

Maybe they can limp along another 20 years and have another fiasco if there's still enough of anything left of the place to even have a fiasco.
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I don't want to get this off-track but 1984 was a long time ago. Care to refresh what the "Don Hoyt fiasco" was? I am drawing a blank trying to remember, but that happens a lot these days.

Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977430
10/22/23 10:26 PM
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Seems to me the nta is using Brandon's playbook


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Re: Banished! [Re: Preacherman Les] #7977432
10/22/23 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
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I don't want to get this off-track but 1984 was a long time ago. Care to refresh what the "Don Hoyt fiasco" was? I am drawing a blank trying to remember, but that happens a lot these days.[/quote]
After 40 years it would be interesting to hear just what took place.Fur prices were high,the NTA was growing,Don Hoyt was president and won re election.Then in the following months to come it was one thing after another on charges leveled against him and then,he was gone.Never an explanation on what happened or why,they just got rid of him.Apparently the membership didn't need to know what happened to him or why


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977484
10/23/23 12:01 AM
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Seems like if anyone with any membership can request to have their names and info removed from the system and cancle them if they were so inclined . I don't believe anyone is locked in for life.

It's truly a sad state of affairs. Honestly are they paid positions? Do they just like to feel like they have some kind of power and it's a volunteer positions they want to keep so they feel important? I Honestly have no idea how they work or the motivation only that it's a sad day when you attempt to silence people.

Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977567
10/23/23 07:24 AM
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Hmmmm, we’ll see how this plays out. Was looking forward to Sioux Falls, coulda made a week round trip out of it …..Minnesota has a pretty big convention.

Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977573
10/23/23 07:35 AM
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pm sent preacher lee, don't want to get this off track


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977614
10/23/23 08:19 AM
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Response from John Daniel

Not sure what letter your talking about
But I see the office manager is cc'd on this email so
Im sure your wish will be carried out


Some people refuse to see the truth when you bludgeon them over the head with it.


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Re: Banished! [Re: huntrap247] #7977687
10/23/23 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by huntrap247
Response from John Daniel

Not sure what letter your talking about
But I see the office manager is cc'd on this email so
Im sure your wish will be carried out


What was your wish?


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977707
10/23/23 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
From the NTA, for posts made here in the trapping political forum in regards to the current administration of the NTA during the recent election cycle. Be careful if you have anything negative to say about the people currently running the show, even if it is the truth.

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Anglia, could you post the rest of the letter? I would like to see what the rest of the letter states. I am curious what they stated as a reason for your expulsion. Thanks.


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977715
10/23/23 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Response from John Daniel

Not sure what letter your talking about
But I see the office manager is cc'd on this email so
Im sure your wish will be carried out


What was your wish?


The email I sent;

To whom it may concern;

It has come to my attention that you have expelled a member for there speaking out about the truth as they saw on another platform.

I saw the letter.

This is how far we have fallen as a group of like-minded individuals?

Are we no better than the social media platforms that silence those who would speak the truth?

Are we not above the Government agencies we see lie and silence the people every day?

Are we not better than the animal rights activists who twist and distort our know truths to fit their own agenda?



I am ashamed I was once a member of such an organization, and I am glad I did not renew my membership when I heard rumblings of this atrocity.

Please remove my name from your mailing list as I will not support the NTA as it stands.


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977863
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Huntrap247 well the president doesn't sound overly upset about the loss of your support.

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Here ya go Tony.

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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7977888
10/23/23 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Huntrap247 well the president doesn't sound overly upset about the loss of your support.


I was less than impressed with his nonchalant attitude towards an (ex) members disappointment.


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Re: Banished! [Re: huntrap247] #7978053
10/23/23 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by huntrap247
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Huntrap247 well the president doesn't sound overly upset about the loss of your support.


I was less than impressed with his nonchalant attitude towards an (ex) members disappointment.


Huntrap247 since you represent no current loss or potential gain of revenue ... you are irrelevant! Lol



Yotetrapper30, did you ask for your dues back pro rata ???


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Re: Banished! [Re: yotetrapper30] #7978077
10/23/23 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Here ya go Tony.

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Thank you A. I am glade you were and offered a chance to speak. I am also glade you took them up on their offers to voice your concerns.

I see the future of the industry changing rapidly. I am excited to see the direction it is heading and hope to live long enough to see some goals come full circle. I hate to see so much division in our industry, however, it is how change comes about. The industry will prevail.

I am glade to see that another national organization will be getting the support of many who separate from the NTA. The FTA is a fine organization who teaches modern technology and techniques through sound tested and true methods. The NTA and FTA both have one common goal even if stand alone organizations, they work together for the greater good of all in the industry.


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