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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7956452
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Originally Posted by Gulo
JP -

No. I no longer remove a tooth for cementum aging. For our purposes, we don't need exact age. I found that taking a frontal close-up of the upper central incisors, I can get within +/- 1 year (compared with cementum ages in the past), usually exactly right on. The wear patterns are predictable on the upper incisors. Not so with the canines or premolars/molars.

Jack


That’s cool! I think it would be very neat and informative if you could show us a pic of the upper incisors on each age class from say 6 months - 10 years old.
It would be very interesting and useful, to me anyways.

But only if it didn’t take up too much of your time. Maybe a future Photo Phriday topic!


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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7956739
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This is a great thread and all the wolf pictures are great to see you guys.


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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957074
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Jack, you gave this one the bling. Wonder if it's the same one in the third pic posted?
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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957184
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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957207
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jake -

That drawing is really pretty good for Intermountain West wolves. It works better on Alaska wolves. I've modified it a bit for tooth wear on Idaho wolves, as it seems they wear down their incisors at a slightly faster rate. I know Jurassic Park was interested; that drawing works well for most sections of Canadian wolves. I don't put much stock in the wear rates on the premolars and the molars; Seems they are highly variable compared with the upper incisors. Thanks for posting that.

Jack


Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957209
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Jack, would those different wear rates be due to different soils and/or diet ? Or frozen meat ?


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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957225
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Yea, it’s tough to tell. I figured mine was 4-6 years, but the incisor length look younger.
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Same wolf but better pic
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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: white17] #7957249
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Originally Posted by white17
Jack, would those different wear rates be due to different soils and/or diet ? Or frozen meat ?



I'm guessing it has to do with size of prey. To me, the bigger the prey animal (moose in Alaska), the greater the chances of biting into clean meat. With smaller prey (deer), chances are the smaller muscles have been rolled in the dirt, and the greater the chances that the predator gets dirt or sand in most bites, leading to slightly more wear. This, of course, is just a guess. Could have something to do with length of time of snow on the ground. All winter (long winters), those Alaska wolves are eating on top of snow or ice, and there's very little chance of sand or dirt. Down here, most places, snow and ice are intermittent through the winter, and much longer periods where the prey may get dirt/sand, leading to increased chance of tooth abrasion. Just speculation. Make sense?

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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957271
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Sure does !! Sort of like marten that are eating dead salmon in sandy environments.

Thanks !!


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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957349
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I don't like sand on my steak...

Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957350
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You must have good teeth Sharon.
Mine got wore down a bit biting off beer caps before they made the twist offs.

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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957353
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grin grin

As a matter of fact, I DO have good teeth, Boco wink

Wuffs could too if they washed their meat in the rivah, like a raccoon does grin

Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Shakeyjake] #7957372
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Ok, so based from this picture the lines represent where the tooth would be worn down to at that age, correct?

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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957470
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JP -

YES!

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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Sharon] #7957479
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Originally Posted by Sharon



Wuffs could too if they washed their meat in the rivah, like a raccoon does grin


They don't have a thumb like a coon does.

Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Gulo] #7957480
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Makes sense! Thanks!


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Re: Photo Phriday 102 - Wolves [Re: Jumperzee] #7957601
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Originally Posted by Jumperzee
Jack, you gave this one the bling. Wonder if it's the same one in the third pic posted?
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Yes, Jumper. I only collared one black (somewhat blue) wolf in that area. I caught him in Bimerick Creek. That's the same wolf, I'm sure.


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