Re: Masonry help?!
[Re: Jim H]
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Knock it down, and replace with dbl wall insulated, and box it with your preferred asthetic if necessary.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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Somebody else was looking to get away with a couple of year fix too, I think it needs to be stripped clean and resurfaced with stucco.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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Knock it down, and replace with dbl wall insulated, and box it with your preferred asthetic if necessary. This is what I thought too. I'll probably let it go until spring and just go double wall and box it in. Thanks guys! As always, the best resource around!
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Re: Masonry help?!
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I should have added, it only vents an oil fired boiler, nothing else. Do I even need to run it up above the roof line? Is there an alternative? Code requires it if that's a concern.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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I should have added, it only vents an oil fired boiler, nothing else. Do I even need to run it up above the roof line? Is there an alternative? Code requires it if that's a concern. Yeah, I want to keep it to code. If I ever decide to sell and move out of New Yorkistan, I want to minimize my problems!
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Re: Masonry help?!
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Lick and stick fake stone would be easy but the corners are expensive It could be wrapped in wood using furring
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Re: Masonry help?!
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It will probably be a difficult fix. In order to get something to stick to that you will need to remove any loose material and then use a bonding agent to get the new coat to stick well. A good quality acrylic polymer added to your mix and maybe an epoxy bonding aid. Below are some products I used in a previous life. Not sure where you could source them now. Relay ResurfacerForton Acrylic AdditiveSikadur Epoxy BonderAnother option would be to cover the whole thing in diamond lathe and recoat it. If you do that it would take two coats. A scratch coat first and then a finish coat.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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It will probably be a difficult fix. In order to get something to stick to that you will need to remove any loose material and then use a bonding agent to get the new coat to stick well.
Another option would be to cover the whole thing in diamond lathe and recoat it. If you do that it would take two coats. A scratch coat first and then a finish coat.
Attaching steel lath and doing a two-part parge was my first thought when I looked at the picture. It looks like it is built of cinder blocks and not modern concrete masonry units/modern building blocks. Cinderblocks are known to just start deteriorating after a certain period of time. I pity folks who have basements built out of them. I have resurfaced many chimneys that looked like yours by attaching steel lath and using a good concrete bonder in the parge coats.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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It will probably be a difficult fix. In order to get something to stick to that you will need to remove any loose material and then use a bonding agent to get the new coat to stick well.
Another option would be to cover the whole thing in diamond lathe and recoat it. If you do that it would take two coats. A scratch coat first and then a finish coat.
Attaching steel lath and doing a two-part parge was my first thought when I looked at the picture. It looks like it is built of cinder blocks and not modern concrete masonry units/modern building blocks. Cinderblocks are known to just start deteriorating after a certain period of time. I pity folks who have basements built out of them. I have resurfaced many chimneys that looked like yours by attaching steel lath and using a good concrete bonder in the parge coats. Thanks guys! I'll try the lath and if that doesn't work then I'll just box it in. Can you negotiate it with a buyer or does the bank want it done before a sale? There's no cheap fix there unless you're handy yourself. It's not for a sale, I'm tried of looking at it and now it looks worse than when I started.
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Re: Masonry help?!
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It's in that condition because it is venting an oil fueled appliance. New York's freeze and thaw climate doesn't help it at all either. It needs a SS liner. Terra cota flues do not hold up to the products of combustion given off by burned oil. The main issue is that burned oil gives off sulfer dioxide and when combined with water it forms sulferic acid and eats away at the structure. All you see is the exterior damage, the interior portion that contains the products of combustion is likely in shambles. Don't believe me? Crawl on the roof and look down inside or contact a CSIA or NCSG certified technician to come on site and run a camera through it to give an estimate.
All chimneys need to meet the 3-2-10 rule. 3 feet out of the roof minimum and 2 feet higher than ant part of the structure within 10 feet.
The entire chimney structure needs to be tore down and rebuilt and an SS liner dropped and hooked into the fuel oil appliance. I know chimney prices in NY are similar to MN. Expect to pay approximately 6-9,000.00 for such work. Price depends on height and access. An oil grade insulated pipe properly installed might be less but it doesn't accommodate for the siding behind it that will be either non existent or discolered to the rest. A chase would need to be built and that would likely end up costing more but I am uncertain, that is outside of my line of work.
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