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Oldest human occupation in North America? #7901093
07/07/23 12:07 PM
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The U of O Archaeology Dept has discovered a site in eastern Oregon that dates back to 18,000 years ago making it the oldest confirmed site for human occupation in North America. A minimum of two dating techniques were used to confirm the age of the site. Radio carbon testing on tooth enamel from a pleistocene camel that went extinct 13,000 years ago helped confirm the a timeline. Also, the fact that human made tools were discovered with blood residues from an extinct bison under an ash layer from a volcanic eruption of Mt. St Helens. Volcanic ash is very accurately aged because of its known decay rate for radioactive isotopes.

This new discovery pushes back human occupation of North America by about 5000 years. It may also put a new twist on how humans got here....


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901101
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I remember being taught as a kid that human occupation of the New World was well after the close of the Pleistocene (about 10,00 years ago). Boy-Howdy! They're continually moving that time line back a few centuries!


Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901106
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Now that is interesting! Thanks for bringing this up. I'm gonna have to look this up.

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901108
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Guys what species of man would that be then? There has been a lot talk about that too...

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901109
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What about the fossilized footprints of some species of human
I bet they are older

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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: MChewk] #7901112
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Originally Posted by MChewk
Guys what species of man would that be then? There has been a lot talk about that too...

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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901148
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“ Oldest human occupation in North America? ”

Prostitution?


Eh...wot?

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901149
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Another massive money pit of research....

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: Lugnut] #7901152
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
“ Oldest human occupation in North America? ”

Prostitution?


Nah, that wasn't invented until the day after Congress was created.


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901164
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They’re bound to find evidence of racism in all that important research.

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: MChewk] #7901223
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Originally Posted by MChewk
Guys what species of man would that be then? There has been a lot talk about that too...


It was even noted in the article (7-7-23 Oregonian) that Native Americans have been saying all along that we've been here much longer than given credit for.

What I like about the U of O's work on the project is they didn't rush off and report the news at the outset. They spent nearly a decade testing and re-testing with cutting edge scientific methodology to get the results. Then they invited peer reviewal of their work before publishing anything. That tends to get the respect of other anthropologists working in the field.


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901407
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I am always curious about the location of the find and how it fits into the way the men were making their living (hunting ,gathering ,etc) in short why were they there at that place. Any info on that aspect ?


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901434
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The 1st humans in the southern US came from Europe...down the north Atlantic coast.

But, the largest influx came around/across the Gulf of Mexico from expansion of populations in South and Central America.

Southeastern US natives were very culturally connected to the Maya and Aztecs.


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901445
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How did they get to South America? From the West or the East?

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: wetdog] #7901447
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Originally Posted by MChewk
Guys what species of man would that be then? There has been a lot talk about that too...

Crow Magnum.



Bwaaahahahah

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901450
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Clovis Period is considered to be 12,000-14,000 years ago....so at least that long

Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901465
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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901481
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My take is a bit controversial I guess, but I stand by it. It goes like this: for as long as there have been people (say within a few thousand years more or less), they have been everywhere on earth that is habitable and accessible to them.
I know, we only have “objective evidence” going back so far. Doesnt matter. People being people, they explore. And with people able to survive the polar regions, they can drop down on any continent.
And there are more reasons I feel this way. But I am not going to write an academic paper here.
Just remember, 30 years ago if you said people had been in what we now call “the Americas” 20,000 years ago you would have been laughed out of any academic community. Not any more.
People are people, and they like to explore. And they can survive about anywhere other than Antarctica with technology available thousands of years ago. I don’t need objective evidence to feel comfortable with that position.


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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901482
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Re: Oldest human occupation in North America? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7901487
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The Topper Site in South Carolina has dated human occupation to ca. 50,000 years ago.


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